24-12-2003 06:17									#31
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6 million Jews... 5-6 million homosexuals, communists, Poles, Russians, etc in camps.

These are well accepted numbers by historians.

	24-12-2003 06:18									#32
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anyway,it is not about numbers,murder is murder no matter how many died.my listing had other reasons,why do you have a problem with that?

	24-12-2003 06:19									#33
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oh,that number.well,depends on the historian,doesnt it? ok,give me my 190 more listings and i will put it there at about 14

	24-12-2003 06:19									#34
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quote: ,murder is murder no matter how many died.my listing had other reasons,why do you have a problem with that?

Yeah, I do. Calling Iraq 91-03 worse than the Holocaust is either Holocaust denial or just plain idiocy. There is a reason most people have it 1 or 2 on their lists.

	24-12-2003 06:19									#35
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quote: chile's overthrow of democracy

i was nearly banned before for posting the opposing viewpoint that Pinochet saved Chile. I don't understand why this is so controversial (akin to denying the holocaust) as the facts seem to show clearly that Pinochet saved Chile from economic ruin and depression and that Allende was in the process of seizing control of the gov't anyway what with his paramilitary training facilities and his massive stockpile of weapons.

	24-12-2003 06:20									#36
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quote: oh,that number.well,depends on the historian,doesnt it? ok,give me my 190 more listings and i will put it there at about 14

Argh! Holocaust deniers piss me off!!

	24-12-2003 06:21									#37
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nah it is the opposie alliente was saving chile and pinochet screwd it up

plus alliente was democratically elected

	24-12-2003 06:21									#38
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quote: anyway,it is not about numbers,murder is murder no matter how many died.my listing had other reasons,why do you have a problem with that?

Then you could just as easily cite the Green River killer instead of Iraq...

	24-12-2003 06:22									#39
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You guys forgot people using Natural Selection as an excuse for racism, forced eugenics, and greed (social darwinism); the worst case of using science for sinister purposes ever.

	24-12-2003 06:22									#40
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lol there there just call me an anti-semite
the reason for the low listing is simple:
the killers are all dead,died in prison for their crimes,the families of the victims have received reparations,it is recognized as a crime,ect ect.
happy now?
sheesh...

	24-12-2003 06:23									#41
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yes berzeker i could,if it was more horrible.

	24-12-2003 06:24									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: oh,that number.well,depends on the historian,doesnt it? ok,give me my 190 more listings and i will put it there at about 14 Argh! Holocaust deniers piss me off!!

Yeah, those people who deny the holocaust of Hiroshima and Nagasaki sicken me.

	24-12-2003 06:25									#43
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World War II
World War I
Genocides going down in terms of numbers killed
Empires going down in terms of number people subjugated
Abba

	24-12-2003 06:26									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Osweld Yeah, those people who deny the holocaust of Hiroshima and Nagasaki sicken me.

And the holocaust of communism.

	24-12-2003 06:26									#45
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quote: Yeah, I do. Calling Iraq 91-03 worse than the Holocaust is either Holocaust denial or just plain idiocy. There is a reason most people have it 1 or 2 on their lists.

Says the person who in another thread claimed the wrongs of the Confederacy were WORSE than those of Nazi Germany Talk historical denial and plain idiocy.

	24-12-2003 06:27									#46
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I will agree with Abba

	24-12-2003 06:28									#47
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again...

quote: Allende was in the process of seizing control of the gov't anyway what with his paramilitary training facilities and his massive stockpile of weapons.

at worst, you can say that Pinochet and his fellow military leaders were a second evil who happened to act a few weeks before Allende did. Chile would've had a marxist dictatorship rather than a fascistic one if it weren't for the Chilean military coup.

	24-12-2003 06:28									#48
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oh and about that idiocity post,very nice of you.do you always change your mind about something if more people beliieve something else?

	24-12-2003 06:29									#49
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1. Holocaust
2. Genocide against Native Americans

Those two really stand out in my book.

The specific and systematic targetting for eradication of a certain (quite sizable) specific cultural and etnic group, is the worst human kind has to offer.

Of course, there have been many other etnic genocides, but at the moment I can't think of any with a similar scale and impact. (Stalin's purges were of a different nature).

	24-12-2003 06:29									#50
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quote: And the holocaust of communism.

Stalinism. Communism is far too varied to generalise as such, i.e. libertarian communism.

	24-12-2003 06:29									#51
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Btw, ~30 million people died during the Taiping Rebellion so that has to rank way up there.

	24-12-2003 06:29									#52
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nah marxist democracy was what the people wanted thats why they voted for him but also to stop the country being sucked dry by foreign interests

	24-12-2003 06:30									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus Says the person who in another thread claimed the wrongs of the Confederacy were WORSE than those of Nazi Germany Talk historical denial and plain idiocy.

Say it isn't so, Imran!

	24-12-2003 06:30									#54
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albert speer i dont know anything about pinochet but i know what happens if you write something that differs from the cnn point of view....

	24-12-2003 06:31									#55
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quote: Says the person who in another thread claimed the wrongs of the Confederacy were WORSE than those of Nazi Germany

Yes, the wrongs of slavery were worse than the Holocaust. Especially seeing how it lasted for centuries and killed far more than the Holocaust.

quote: the killers are all dead,died in prison for their crimes,the families of the victims have received reparations,it is recognized as a crime,ect ect.

So that makes it all better?

	24-12-2003 06:31									#56
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quote: Says the person who in another thread claimed the wrongs of the Confederacy were WORSE than those of Nazi Germany

i dont know what yall two are fighting about but, while this is not specifically the fault of the CSA but rather just about every western european and american nation, the institution of slavery enslaved and killed more africans than nazi germany enslaved and killed jews though, of course, slavery lasted for centuries as opposed to the three year reign of the holocaust (pre-1942 Germany had something more like aparthied and not downright killings and enslavement).

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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy Stalinism. Communism is far too varied to generalise as such, i.e. libertarian communism.

How is it varied? In the number of millions that die because of it?

	24-12-2003 06:32									#58
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quote: while this is not specifically the fault of the CSA but rather just about every western european and american nation, the institution of slavery enslaved and killed more africans than nazi germany enslaved and killed jews though, of course, slavery lasted for centuries as opposed to the three year reign of the holocaust

Exactly. The Confederacy was continuing the disgusting practice of slavery.

	24-12-2003 06:33									#59
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1. The Automobile. (or mass production of)
2. Nuclear bombs, and their usage/testing
3. Biochemical weapons. (ones more advanced then a rotting cow, that is)
4. Mass consumerism.
5. WW1, WW2, and all the wars in general.
6. PCP's
7. Fez
8. Deforestization/dehabitization
9. Three gorges dam (and others)
10. Factory Farming

	24-12-2003 06:33									#60
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libertarian communism... imagine that.