24-12-2003 06:34									#61
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: the killers are all dead,died in prison for their crimes,the families of the victims have received reparations,it is recognized as a crime,ect ect. So that makes it all better?

compared with those that havent had all that, of course!

	24-12-2003 06:34									#62
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better in what way? ok let me put it like this: 2 diferent persons commit murder.the first one dies in prison while the second dies free,respected and wealthy.Which is worse?

	24-12-2003 06:38									#63
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quote: libertarian communism... imagine that.

Think Whaleboy. Think lots of paper. Think Haifa.

	24-12-2003 06:39									#64
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Comparing slavery to say, the Holocaust, is a bit complicated. Events that resulted in a huge loss of life in a very short time frame need to be viewed differently than pervasive practices over lengthy time periods. Slavery and all it entails probably deserves to be at the top of every list, but the mass slaughter of millions over, say, a decade, deserve special consideration since the slaughter was perpetrated by a relative few as compared to a practice like slavery engaged in by many peoples all over the world.

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quote: compared with those that havent had all that, of course!

Of course NOT! What happens afterwards does not affect how bad each act actually was.

quote: 2 diferent persons commit murder.the first one dies in prison while the second dies free,respected and wealthy.Which is worse?

Both murders are equally horrid. The punishments have no impact on the gruesomeness of the murder.

	24-12-2003 06:40									#66
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Poor unenlightened apolytoners.

There is no such thing as right and wrong, and levels of wrong. There is only the degree to which something sucks.

	24-12-2003 06:41									#67
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of course they do. there's life after the murders too you know. after all tis peoples we're talking about.

	24-12-2003 06:43									#68
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AS, No resonably sane person would support Pinochet, he was a bloody butcher. Alledele (sp?) was elected DEMOCRATICALY (OK, so was Hitler, but he used violence and intimidation to win, Alledele didn't).

	24-12-2003 06:43									#69
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i agree with paiktis on that,if i would have to choose between being a jew or an armenian i would say jew.At least the crime commited against them is recognized and i believe that no one will let it happen again,in contrast with other crimes that will propably go unpunished

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besides, even if not one of either one of them remained to feel bad for his murderer not being punished, thre's also the moral question. a crime rightfully punished is less "baaad" than an unpunished crime when it comes to morality as a general concept.

	24-12-2003 06:45									#71
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Says the person who in another thread claimed the wrongs of the Confederacy were WORSE than those of Nazi Germany Yes, the wrongs of slavery were worse than the Holocaust. Especially seeing how it lasted for centuries and killed far more than the Holocaust.

But the Confederacy did not last for centuries, nor is it responsible for the deaths of millions, or I suspect any significant number of slaves.

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whaleboy,where can i get a suckitude meter?

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*Whaleboy struggles to contain the urge to make a satirical comment about his sex life...*

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quote: there's life after the murders too you know.

Which are distinct from how bad the murders were... DUH!

quote: a crime rightfully punished is less "baaad" than an unpunished crime when it comes to morality as a general concept.

No it isn't?! What sort of wierd morality do you suscribe to?! A murder that is punished is just as bad as a murder that isn't punished. Both involve taking the life of a person... therefore both murders are equally bad.

The reprisal by the state may be less bad, but the murders itself are equally bad... as a general concept of morality.

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By all means,do!

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quote: Originally posted by Whaleboy *Whaleboy struggles to contain the urge to make a satirical comment about his sex life...*

Spare us. Please.

	24-12-2003 06:50									#77
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quote: But the Confederacy did not last for centuries, nor is it responsible for the deaths of millions, or I suspect any significant number of slaves.

The Confederacy is a stand in for slavery in general... especially in the history of the South.

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I think we are being carried off a little bit....
i dont want to debate relative morality at 3:50 in the morning...its...not....NORMAL!

	24-12-2003 06:51									#79
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How broad do the categories get to be?

I mean, if I just said "slavery" well, that's been going on pretty much forever. So it's beyond just the last 1000 yrs. Even within those 1000yrs, however, it's gotta rank in the top few.

Genocide... well, I'm sure that too goes back beyond 1003AD, but we've gotten better at it over time, reaching its most horrible in the 20th century. Probably the absolute worst we've got, but then again, it could be viewed as a derivative of...

War. Which also has been around forever.

-Arrian

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Then there is sexual slavery wich is at an all-time height

	24-12-2003 06:55									#81
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you should stop being the one hoovering and be the one receiving for once.

the braves thing has got to be number 1.
number 2 would be the fact that the braves just can't seem to get it together after twelve years of being the best team in the NL East. ****ers.

number 3 would be the japanese occupation of korea.
number 4 would be the burning of atlanta by sherman.

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The burning of Atlanta was probably a good thing back then

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Shut up Imran before I drive down there and kick Q's ass.

	24-12-2003 07:01									#84
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Activision

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Another thing deserving mention is your tanks being killed by spearmen (thanks skywalker).i would rank just after the constantinople massacre

	24-12-2003 07:04									#86
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Now I know skywalkers real name - he's ex-Atari chief Ray Kasser!

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Strike civ3 and moo3 from the list, replace them with atari.

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actually, i have to admit, chicago's great fire did wonders for the city. now, sherman going and burning atlanta, well, that resulted in the big mess you see today of the "city" that is atlanta. that's why it's an atrocity.
the other side of the atrocity is that they missed scarlett o'hara and that brett whatever, too. i'm so sick of that goddamned story.

5. would have to be gone with the wind.

	24-12-2003 07:08									#89
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What's wrong with Atlanta? It's a great city to live in, imho.

	24-12-2003 07:12									#90
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Kinda suprised about the list so far, I'd have put Communism 1st(reason being NK is STILL slaughtering its people under the guise of it), slavery second(considering that it is STILL occuring in certain countries, one of which is on the UNHRC). Then we work our way down with number of people killed in the past.