24-12-2003 13:29									#181
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quote: Originally posted by LordVipper whaleboy,where can i get a suckitude meter?

I'm not sure where you can find one, but I suggest using your own posts to calibrate the low end of the spectrum.

	24-12-2003 13:34									#182
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- Rule of Church
- Holocaust
- American's war against indians
- European colonisation to africa, americas, asia and australia
- Stalin regime
- Use of nuclear weapons
- WW1
- Japanese expansion to korea & china
- Election of GWBush to the white house
- The lack of reason when explaining the murder of JFKennedy (and all the conspiracies included in it)

	24-12-2003 15:15									#183
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Hitler's WWII ( all included ), Mao's various crap, Spain's conquest of the new world.

	24-12-2003 16:46									#184
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Holocaust and WWII
Stalinism
Genociding Native Americans
Starving Africa
WWI
Colonization
Witch Hunt and Inquisition
30 Year War
Maoism
Earth Pollution

	24-12-2003 16:54									#185
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What's wrong with Colonization? it's was by far one of the best things about Imperialism.

	24-12-2003 17:01									#186
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Thinking about it, the second millenium really sucked...

	24-12-2003 17:01									#187
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel What's wrong with Colonization? it's was by far one of the best things about Imperialism.

you´re right, I should have said Imperialism instead
Colonization went together with greed, slavery and genocide and that is why.

	24-12-2003 17:44									#188
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quote: Thinking about it, the second millenium really sucked...

nope. BEST MILLENUIM EVAAR!!!!!!111.

quote: Colonization went together with greed, slavery and genocide and that is why.

Yep. That's why euro Imperialism was rather ambivalent. I wouldn't call Imperialism a bad thing, either, since it had enormous implications, both ways.

	24-12-2003 17:47									#189
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Aw, man. No one even commented on my putting the automobile at number 1. :cry:

	24-12-2003 17:48									#190
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Noone said rap yet?

	24-12-2003 18:07									#191
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the one that is abslolutely at number one is:
1- Pollution
2- slavery (not only in the west but all around and general)
3- Pol pot story
4- WWII
5- Religion`s and there actions
6- WW I
7- A -bom
8- H- bom
9- Stalism
10- rich people Vs. poor people

	24-12-2003 18:36									#192
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quote: Originally posted by Dr Strangelove American Slavery (if you include the entire issue of slavery in the entire western hemisphere yopu could move this up to #2)

"American" Slavery and "New world" slavery was European slavery. Created by Euopean goverments, often in patnership or colusion with African Tribal powers, existed in the new world and the furture USA under European goverment and colonial authorities (from it being brought there until independence) for much longer than it continued after independence. The Euro scum who gave it to the new world would have joyously have had in their home territories if they had also had a labor shortage there.

	24-12-2003 20:40									#193
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I love it how this becomes (well, whats to expect) a way for everyone to go after their ideological pet peeves, with little thought of trying to create some sort of standard by which to judge, be it somehting so banal as number of dead bodies, or more precisely, percentage of those killed and population decline as a whole.

	24-12-2003 20:49									#194
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Recent photographs of Lara Flynn Boyle in a bikini on a beach. It was revolting- Belsen or Biafra as chic. She claims to be 'naturally thin' and lists various food items that she wolfs down, and then claims Calista Flockhart as a role model....

Frankly if I looked 5 days away from having an autopsy performed on me due to death by starvation, I wouldn't parade around in two scraps of cloth looking like cocktail sticks in napkin.

Oh, and Highlander II, Star Trek V, Hellraiser III and IV and the Turner Prize winner, one of whose exhibits was a light switching on and off. Life is too short for sterile dross, the product of a bankrupt artistic imagination.

	24-12-2003 21:00									#195
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All the expansion wars
All the pointless wars
Michael Jackson

	24-12-2003 21:47									#196
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French Revolution.
The Great Game (British and Russian attempt to control Asia)
Bismarck's Unification of Germany
Opium Wars
All invasions of Russia.
Oil Wars
Division of Korea.
Creation of Israel.
UN
Laboratory AIDS
Anti-communism

	24-12-2003 21:48									#197
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I love it how this becomes (well, whats to expect) a way for everyone to go after their ideological pet peeves, with little thought of trying to create some sort of standard by which to judge, be it somehting so banal as number of dead bodies, or more precisely, percentage of those killed and population decline as a whole.

Isn't that the point of the OT?

Personally, I think this BS $1,500 invoice that came across my desk today is a travesty as well and will be fought to a successful conclusion. And how will I know when the conclusion is successful? Simple: when I get my way.

	24-12-2003 21:50									#198
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There is no point to OT-that is the point of OT.

	24-12-2003 21:57									#199
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Re: Many of the above.

There a very few 'atrocities' of a large scale that can be blamed on the Americans. Certainly not in the top ten. At least not in raw numbers!

It's better to subsume many outrages into more general themes, trans-atlantic slave trade was not an American invention, it was started by the Portugese, perpetuated by African kingdoms and fueled by the British and later Americans. Simply putting the US at the top is silly. Many peoples were to blame.

The same is true of Indian genocide. The colonisers were relatively mild, north of the Rio Grande. Instead European and American relations with the Indians should be subsumed into the 'Colonisation' outrage.

	24-12-2003 21:58									#200
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quote: Originally posted by GePap I love it how this becomes (well, whats to expect) a way for everyone to go after their ideological pet peeves, with little thought of trying to create some sort of standard by which to judge, be it somehting so banal as number of dead bodies, or more precisely, percentage of those killed and population decline as a whole.

The number of dead bodies is not a means of standardization. Each mind is a universe in itslef. I think that a true outrage involves a conspiracy. Also it is to lay the foundation for further wickedness. In that regard the French Revolution is the mother of all wickedness.

	24-12-2003 22:10									#201
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quote: I'm suprised that Imram, et al. hasn't mentioned the partitioning of India and Pakistan as one of the great outrages of at least the past century.

It doesn't make the top 10 for me.

	24-12-2003 22:48									#202
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Wow, a long thread, can't read everything.
Just have to mention that Albert's opinion on Chile is quite freaky. I'd suggest to do some reading, Allende was not building up any paramilitary group. He was democratically elected and there's no reason to suggest - and no evidence - he planned a coup d'etat against himself.

Anyways, my top ten:
1.) Nazi-Terror & Shoa
2.) Stalinist Terror
3.) Amerindian Genocide
4.) Slavery
5.) A-Bomb drop
6.) Confessional Wars (Cromwell, 30-Years-War etc.)
7.) Japanese Imperialism
8.) Imperialism generally
9.) WoMD use in WWI
10.) Rwandan Genocide

	24-12-2003 22:58									#203
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quote: Originally posted by Evil Knevil The same is true of Indian genocide. The colonisers were relatively mild, north of the Rio Grande.

This is a century old topos and not true. The Spanish relation to the Indians was in many aspects better than that in Angloamerica, they approached them in a completely different way. Yes, they were to be exploited (in the eyes of the colonizers) and in this process they suffered and in certain occasions massive deaths occured, but they were also to be considered subjects of the crown and therefore to be protected. They had special rights and enjoyed quite some autonomy and were not everytime pushed back and forcefully resettled and slayed just for being Indians in the way. The Spanish American society was never meant to be exclusively white, while in Anglo-America coexistance and mingling was never an option.

	24-12-2003 23:14									#204
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Yes, but we're talking about the results, not the attitudes. Besides the concept of Indian 'souls' wasn't really accepted in the NW until much later, despite the declarations in Europe. Brandishing the idea of 'protection' was -in the colonies at least- only to justify the economedia system.

I meant, of course, relatively mild compared to the results of Spanish rule south of the Grande.

	24-12-2003 23:39									#205
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well, to be fair to the spanish, one could say they rapidly adapted to the customs of their new neighbourhood. Come, it's time to sacrifice some POWs.

	24-12-2003 23:45									#206
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(in case you don't remember I got in trouble for anti-Spanish remarks)

Er.... I don't think we should continue this conversation

	24-12-2003 23:49									#207
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The assassination of Lady Di caused more tears that any other event in the last hundred of centuries.

Tears are a valid criteria to rank atrocities despite the quite difficult measure of numbers and volumes.

	24-12-2003 23:51									#208
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quote: The assassination of Lady Di caused more tears that any other event in the last hundred of centuries.

Which was totally silly. Crying over a spoiled royal... why are people such idiots?

	24-12-2003 23:55									#209
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui why are people such idiots?

Only plausible reason : for you to feel superior

	25-12-2003 00:11									#210
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quote: Originally posted by aaglo - American's war against indians

As oppose to Spain's, Argentina's, Brazil's, and Canada's wars againest the Indians?