28-12-2003 00:33									#1
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quote: Smoking is a custom loathsome to the eye, hateful to the nose, harmful to the brain, dangerous to the lungs, and in the black, stinking fume thereof nearest resembling the horrible Stygian smoke of the pit that is bottomless.

-James I of England, "A Counterblaste to Tobacco."

also, the Ottoman Sultan Murad IV (1623-1640) had similiar sentiments.

	28-12-2003 00:34									#2
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Common sense?

"Hmm, I wonder if inhaling something that makes me hack and gag the first time could be bad for me."

	28-12-2003 00:42									#3
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quote: "Hmm, I wonder if swallowing something that makes me hack and gag the first time could be bad for me."

let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

	28-12-2003 00:44									#4
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Yet people successfully sued the cig companies for not telling them it was harmful. *sigh*

	28-12-2003 00:47									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

That's not inhaling...

	28-12-2003 00:48									#6
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quote: also, the Ottoman Sultan Murad IV (1623-1640) had similiar sentiments.

a 17 year old Ottoman Sultan... WOW I'm IMPRESSED!

somehow, human civilization survived THE EVILS OF SMOKING!

	28-12-2003 00:55									#7
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sava, what? he was crowned in 1623... he was only 11 when he was crowned but still..

	28-12-2003 00:58									#8
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Murad IV?

How willing are you to accept health and lifestyle advice from a man who drank himself to death before the age of 30?

	28-12-2003 01:08									#9
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Maybe Murad was into punk rock.

Live fast, die young!!

	28-12-2003 01:13									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Albert Speer sava, what? he was crowned in 1623... he was only 11 when he was crowned but still..

oh I thought the dates were his life... but still 11??!!? so from age 11-28... the "wise" Sultan graced the world with his wisdom?!

hmmm he died at 28? gee what did he die from? not cigarettes I bet...

	28-12-2003 01:19									#11
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quote: quote: quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue let's be glad females don't think the same way as you That's not inhaling...

It is according to a former american president so it is to every american..

	28-12-2003 01:28									#12
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so what if he was 11

and if he drank himself to death that means I'm going to take his advice even MORE

he obviously knows how to **** himself over

	28-12-2003 01:30									#13
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

	28-12-2003 01:34									#14
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quote: Originally posted by alva quote: That's not inhaling... It is according to a former american president so it is to every american..

No, he said that "getting totally stoned out of your freaking mind" was not inhaling. Not filling in your intern on her new position.

(you'd think that Clinton would be Ted Striker's hero. They have the same motto, "I'd hit it."?)

	28-12-2003 01:34									#15
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We've known about the dangers of tobacco and coffee for over a hundred years(that I know of), in addition to the health benefits of eating more grains/veggies etc and limiting the amount of meat in one's diet.

	28-12-2003 02:22									#16
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

Sava, are you questioning the hazards of smoking?

	28-12-2003 11:17									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue let's be glad females don't think the same way as you

Stew, misquoting is a serious offence.

	28-12-2003 11:38									#18
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you are quite a buzzkill.

	28-12-2003 15:00									#19
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quote: Stew, manslaughter is a serious offence.

Yeah I know

	28-12-2003 15:10									#20
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue Monk rules.

Right on!

	28-12-2003 18:43									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp Murad IV? How willing are you to accept health and lifestyle advice from a man who drank himself to death before the age of 30?

I live at a university dorm. I'd never take advice from anyone if I disrespected the views of the drinkers.

It's like I always thought:
You can give people mountains of evidence, but if it conflicts with their beliefs (and many people believe their peers to know what's right) then you're misdirecting your effort.

I say prevent cigarette supporters from reproducing (steralising drugs?) and wait 'til they kill themselves off.

	28-12-2003 19:24									#22
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quote: How did they know?

	28-12-2003 21:22									#23
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Anyone who has been around a heavy smoker knows what Jame I said was true. What we did not know was that smoking caused cancer.

	28-12-2003 22:17									#24
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I believe what they smoked back then had more poisons too, than today, though they are very poisonous today.

	28-12-2003 22:23									#25
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quote: Originally posted by Enigma_Nova I live at a university dorm. I'd never take advice from anyone if I disrespected the views of the drinkers.

You dozy bugger. There's a massive chasm of difference between your average youthful binge-drinker and an astonishingly self-destructive alcoholic who kills themself before the age of 30.

quote: It's like I always thought: You can give people mountains of evidence, but if it conflicts with their beliefs (and many people believe their peers to know what's right) then you're misdirecting your effort. I say prevent cigarette supporters from reproducing (steralising drugs?) and wait 'til they kill themselves off.

Great attitude, sunshine. "Your views disagree with my own- therefore you and your kind must be eradicated". I bet that wows the chicks.

	29-12-2003 15:57									#26
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Point 1:
You're right in that regard but both sets of people are drinking themselves into early graves. Some graves are merely earlier than others.

I am concerned about the mental health of my fellow residents, but I am not concerned for what they and their ilk do upon themselves. I worry though that a potential prodigy may be swayed by the current system, and lack of a strong sober rational element.

People (other than me) have this social strain, they like to form in groups and do what their peers do. I am afraid that this strain has caused a mass revolt from rational thought, and want to bring rational thought to power.
Don't blame me for being the Devil's advocate (Though by above doctrine you will be obliged to).

Point 2:
My life's goals, in order of priority:
#1. Ascertain knowledge/wisdom.
#2. Protect all allies.
#3. Destroy all enemies.

I, in pronouncing myself as a warrior of sober thought, have casually cast off valuing such activities as Inebriation and Carnal pleasures. Of course, I'm not against having allies, but I'm not after girlfriends in such a sense.

You have a problem with my life's choices, sir? Well thankyou - it works both ways.

	29-12-2003 16:13									#27
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quote: I, in pronouncing myself as a warrior of sober thought, have casually cast off valuing such activities as Inebriation and Carnal pleasures. Of course, I'm not against having allies, but I'm not after girlfriends in such a sense.

Who's DL are you? Seriously, no one can be this homo-gay...

	29-12-2003 16:54									#28
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Enigma, your top priority should be breeding like a rabbit (without reproducing), but hey.

Plus, the tendency to smoking is not hereditary, so sterelising drugs would have no effects.

	29-12-2003 22:33									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Enigma_Nova My life's goals, in order of priority: #1. Ascertain knowledge/wisdom. #2. Protect all allies. #3. Destroy all enemies. I, in pronouncing myself as a warrior of sober thought, have casually cast off valuing such activities as Inebriation and Carnal pleasures. Of course, I'm not against having allies, but I'm not after girlfriends in such a sense. You have a problem with my life's choices, sir? Well thankyou - it works both ways.

I don't have the remotest problem with your lifestyle choices. Only one of us is proposing the eradication of opposing lifestyles, and it ain't me.

I've met quite a few people like you on the internet. The trouble is that it takes some time before I work out whether their behaviour (one part asceticism to twenty parts narcissism) is due to a dysfunctional response to social failure (or fear of social failure), or if they're genuinely aesthetes/hermitics. It's almost invariably the former, however. If it's the former, I hope you review your lifestyle and make a few changes.

If it's the latter then go with your choices, be happy, and don't be a pillock with the lifestyles of others again.

	30-12-2003 04:24									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Enigma_Nova I worry though that a potential prodigy may be swayed by the current system,

I don't think you need to worry about this, especially if this is how you present yourself irl.