29-12-2003 20:36									#1
	TOo Big for Diplomats?! Support Apolyton

Im playing a 27 civ game on the earth map and i find it too aggrivating to send diplomats to each country. My main reason is that a lone diplomat gets attacked more often than not. Plus moving stacks of units with diplomats in them just earks the ai. Is there a mod that allows embassies to be setup without using diplomats. Or is there a way to customize the game to do it? Please advise.

	29-12-2003 23:23									#2
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For the moment there is no mod astracting the use of diplomats, at least as far as contact is concerned. In the Super Apolyton Pack, once you have contacted a civilization, the embassies are automatically reestablished after a war is over... I don't know about the other mods though it should be the case with all the mods that are using the diplomod (I think Martin's GoodMod and Cradle use it).

Abstracting the use of the Diplomats is an idea that has been suggested in the Code Source thread and is certainly something that will come to fruition... in the future.

	29-12-2003 23:33									#3
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I will have to keep an eye out on the source thread then. That was one of the only things they did right in civ3 abstracting the dips and spies.

	30-12-2003 01:03									#4
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Quite a while ago I did a package called 'NewDiplomod' for Cradle. It never got past the beta stage, but I think it's stable. It allowed you to establish embassies by negotiation (and much more). If you want, I could knock off a standalone version.

	30-12-2003 01:49									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs If you want, I could knock off a standalone version.

	30-12-2003 09:42									#6
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Sounds good to me Peter im using SAP at the moment and look forward to your mod!

Last edited by tyrantpimp on 30-12-2003 at 10:27

	30-12-2003 19:45									#7
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Aak! I thought you were using the vanilla game with the earth map. Adding it to SAP will be a bit more difficult because it's inconsistent with some of the stuff that's already there. But let's see what happens.

	31-12-2003 00:43									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs Aak! I thought you were using the vanilla game with the earth map. Adding it to SAP will be a bit more difficult because it's inconsistent with some of the stuff that's already there. But let's see what happens.

Im here for moral support! (now where did i put my guinea pig costum at)

	31-12-2003 01:11									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs Aak! I thought you were using the vanilla game with the earth map. Adding it to SAP will be a bit more difficult because it's inconsistent with some of the stuff that's already there. But let's see what happens.

I have seen your mod, played it and checked the code. I really cant think whay this would be a problem?

BTW, Your mod is a huge improvement specially because the AIs makes pact with each other. I play through the first ages with a lot of modified files and i would consider it stable.

I have noticed that you code had too much testing in it so i changed a lot of it and i recommend you do it too. For this mean I removed the extra regard amog them since the AIs loved too much each other in your mod. I also made regard a prereq for accepting proposal among AIs since the AIs would accept always.
And I recommend making the embassy more easy to be accepted through diplomacy. (Just some thoughts)
I can attach my modified code for you Peter but my changes werent that big of a deal.

Sorry for not giving this kind of feedback before, Peter. Your code really improves the AI diplomacy.

	31-12-2003 02:28									#10
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Any chance the diplomod stuff would go into the Altered source code as more permanent stuff? Unless of course this stuff gets worked out in a new diplomacy model thats been passed around.

	31-12-2003 05:29									#11
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I hope I've got the right files here; I've got so many different versions of things on my HD that it's difficult to know what's what. Extract to:

...\Activision\Call To Power 2

When asked if you want to overwrite files, reply "Yes to all".

Unfortunately, you have to start a new game and choose "SAP with extra diplomacy" from the modswapper options.

quote: Any chance the diplomod stuff would go into the Altered source code as more permanent stuff? Unless of course this stuff gets worked out in a new diplomacy model thats been passed around.

This is SLIC and I think we're going to have to do it more generally, and better, using C++.

	31-12-2003 21:46									#12
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This is another piece of quality work Peter, it works like a charm.

	01-01-2004 02:52									#13
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Tell us more Peter!

Well looks like you might have something the Ai can use for end game play . If its making pacts it might be able to fight together or hem in the human player-would be great

Had this file for little while but never tried it .Going to this weekend .Will put this file in the basic version with patch. Change file names remove updater. Done this with many mods had no problems

Is this going to be on the same level as Diplomod 3.6?

Hope Pedrun can gives us the update info. I know its a busy time for everyone right now. Well thanks to you guys the Ai already seems to have a life of its own

	01-01-2004 03:13									#14
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Im running into one problem the ai likes to make diplomatic offers during its turn, but when my turn comes the offers are dissapear Its like i cant answer them quick enough. Please advise.

	01-01-2004 21:36									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Protra3211 Is this going to be on the same level as Diplomod 3.6?

Fortunatly not it is much higher and more.

-Martin

	01-01-2004 21:58									#16
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tyrantpimp,

It comes back to me now. I tried all sorts of things to prevent that, but never could get it to stop happening.

This is one reason why we're going to have to re-do diplomacy via the executable, where we have more control over it.

	03-01-2004 03:56									#17
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i increased the ai timeslice a bit not a solution but its slightly more manageable