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Thanks SnowFire, Now we're talking. I'm not sure that we'll get a chance to finish off our tournament series (2nd round) in time to figure this out.
If I may make a suggestion or two concerning this. I suggest that we attempt to (somehow) pick the best 7 players and place them on a team. I don't think that the ADC tournament games are necesarily indicative of the best players we have available, though I don't see any flukes either. What I mean is that several of the better players got whacked.
What we really need for a tournament team is dedicated players that will play within the team structure and towards scoring objectives. We also will need alternate players to stand in for illness, business trips, vacations, emergencies, etc. I think if we have 10 very good players then we should have one team and 3 alternates, before filling out a second team with newbies (no offense guys). Last year Apolyton sent three teams, and earned quite a reputation when one entire team abandoned their games. Conversely, a strong showing attracts new players to our community, making things more fun for all of us.
So even though I will win ADCT Game A and theoretically get a spot according to the thinking of the tournament, I'd rather be voted on to a team by a committee of peers, than go on the basis of one game.
Incidentally my services may be in demand for the Cat23 Dip Knights, but I am undecided as to where I should play. I'm leaning towards Apolyton, because I simply enjoy this site more, and want to promote it as such.
The first order of business is electing a team captain. And as much as SnowFire and I butt heads on nearly everything, I think he has the needed experience to pull this off. He get's my nomination and vote.
Go Apolyton!
[This message has been edited by RUFFHAUS8 (edited August 21, 2000).]
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SnowFire
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New York City, NY
Jan 1970
time: 00:13
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Thank you for the vote of confidence, RUFFHAUS. However, LordStone1 was the captain of Apolyton I last year, and he did a fairly good job of captaining (even if the game he played in went horribly), so if he wants the job, he's got it as far as I'm concerned. But if he doesn't want it or just wants to rotate, I'd be happy to take it. Also, we didn't do that badly before- Apolyton I & III did fairly well in the standings, it was just that Apolyton II finished last.
Which brings up another point: Do not sign up if you're not in it for the long haul. We should uphold the honor and glory of Apolyton, which means NO NMR's, and no dropouts short of "really good reason." We do not want another Zakhiago who just dropped off the face of the earth one day. Also, should we get the good luck to have multiple Apolytoners in one game, for heaven's sake ALLY, at least for the early and midpart of the game. Enough to make both of you strong and in the running for a solo. We do not want another game like the one where we had Apolytoners as England & Germany, and a newbie playing France soloed (generating much complaints from distinguished players in the South).
As for the best players, well, let's see who signs up, and go from there. I will say that Berzerker (and Meef, if he still wants to play for Apolyton) gets an automatic ticket into Team I (if they want it) for a brillantly played 17 SC draw in WorldMasters 99 (and Meef soloed as Germany).
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Glory, glory, Apolyton!
Sign me up! Hopefully for the pro team 
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Midshipman
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Apolyton Paintball Champion
Apr 2000
time: 05:13
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You can sign me up for this I will play as an alternate if possible rather than a fulltime, but I feel that watching will help me learn how to play.
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LordStone1
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Rochester, NY
Jan 1970
time: 00:13
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Well, I'm honored that some of you would like me to be the captain, but in reality I would prefer that SnowFire be the captain this time around, that is, if he should accept. As I've repeated many times, I don't know how much time I'll be able to focus on Dip or Apolyton in general as soon as I go into college (people say the first few months as a frosh are the busiest until senior finals...). However, with ADCT wrapping up and Dip20 getting easier, I should have the time to play World Masters.
If SnowFire doesn't want to do it, I'll do it anyway. It can't be that hard if we do have a very good Apolyton I team.
Then again, I didn't have a particularly good experience as captain. I virtually had to take over the Apolyton III team as well, and deal with numerous NMR's that lasted for several game years and all that. It was not pleasant when 3 or 4 GMs got angry at me when I couldn't shore up replacements.
In retrospective, Ruffhaus' idea of just one Apolyton team with alternates would be a better idea. If a lot of people do want to join, we can set up a second team, but that team must also have 3 alternates. I refuse to have a team without alternates.
And Victor, from my experience with Saxony, you are good enough to be on Apolyton I. But remember, you can't use writs to really solidify an agreement. 
It's been a while since I've played on the regular map with actual diplomacy (Ruff pretty much threw me out of the diplomatic negotiation circuts in ADCT by 1902 ) so I'll try and practice.
[This message has been edited by LordStone1 (edited August 21, 2000).]
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I'd be happy to be a back-up player/map-maker/tactical advice guru
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LordStone1
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Rochester, NY
Jan 1970
time: 00:13
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Well, Reismark, I wish you'd have let us discuss this before opening a new thread, but here goes:
I truly believe that we all here are aware of our skills and abilities, and of each others', as well. Thus, I really do not think we need some formal voting ballot or whatever.
Moreover, we do not need to drive away newbies. We were all newbies last year, remember? If they want to join, we'll keep their name. But we should not have some vote going on. It's too much red tape and we can deal without a ballot.
And reismark, I think you may be creating too much bureaucracy here. While a manager as the 8th member would be a great idea, leaving all seven players the freedom to focus on their games and not on holding their team together, the mapmaker/game masters can be just informal and a volunteer position. So we could have a team of ten people: seven players, one manager (who is also an alternate), and two other alternates. That sounds like a great idea.
Again, I really do not think we need to go through an election. It brings up competitive feelings in us that we don't need. As you can see here already, we sort of already have a list for two possible teams: Apolyton I/II with SnowFire, Iain, Imran, Meef, Charles, LordStone1, Bezerker, Ruffhaus, Coug, Bezerker, Defiant, CyberGnu, and Victor. It's not set in stone (no pun intended) but we can do without a voting process.
And of course we do need more people. Newbies, just sign up!
Leave room for Komitet, he's on vacation, I think.
[This message has been edited by LordStone1 (edited August 22, 2000).]
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Gerwald
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Springfield, VA, USA
Jan 2000
time: 05:13
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Seriously gents, everyone should consider themselves "IN", what we need is the leadership of ADC to form teams quickly. Those individuals, along with replacement players should be honing strategy and tactics. Lets get moving.
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Defiant
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WISCONSIN
Aug 1999
time: 05:13
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Lordstone,
You are absolutely right, NO voting, they tend to be popularity contests. The idea of team manager/captain(non-player) is excellent. When Zak quit and I had to take the responsibilities of Captain, plus playing, never being in the tournament before I was overwhelmed. Trying to find subs, NMR's going on everwhere, it was a disaster. What other teams were doing and I'm not totally for it was, when I and Turkey were hammering Russia the Russian player whined to his Captain and that Captain whined to Turkey's Captain and gave conditions if he would turn on me, the conditions were set in other games. To me this is low down and the Turkish player was honorable and would not do it. But the point is, this is the kind of politics we are going against and we better be prepared and having a manager just devoted to doing such "politics", in my mind, is extremely essential.
The list you have already acquired is formible, why don't you start with that and then build the support crew around it. As more players want to join, let them, do it piecemeal. In the meantime the players already selected can get started on tactics, such as who wants which country, or be it who plays certain countries better.
This is necessary to be done quickly, I already have had email from CAT-23 Dip Knights and they have teams formed and are getting a jump on us.
Lordstone/Snowfire, it's time to pull the trigger and form teams.
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Defiant
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WISCONSIN
Aug 1999
time: 05:13
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Instead of voting, would everybody concur that Lordstone, Ruffhaus, Snowfire and Berzerker make good reps, if so then let them choose the teams. If four is too many then lets choose one and he has the sole responsibility of creating ALL teams with immunity. He also has the choice of what team he wants to play for. We could really make this simple, who had the highest success in last years tournament, let him choose the teams.
Remember, we are all playing for Apolyton, every single one of us counts no less or no more then the next, but we have to work as a team. The idea of individual teams is strategic, I don't know if the best of the best on one team is better or spreading out the talent, I'm not qualified to make that decision, but I believe the above mentioned guys are.
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