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I wonder what the percentages would be if you took into account the people that didn't take the poll - because they didn't keep ANY of the commandments.
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Jon Miller
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Whats with the utter lack of anyone keeping the Sabbath holy! |
well, a number probably even have the day wrong
and I have kept the Sabbath holy in the past, this last year was not a good year
Jon Miller
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Boris Godunov
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Aug 2001
time: 00:33
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Originally posted by Firelad
Boris: What you posted isn't the ten commandments, it's just the first of the several hundred regular laws in Mishpatim, which is the chapter after the one with the ten commandments. Or something. Can't be arsed to look it up. But it's something like that. You've got the list Plus you've got the fifth book in the torah where everything is repeated (I think for the third time...) slightly different though with a very different perspective on the explanations; "humanitarian" vs. "just because"... Learned it all in school, thankfully forgotten at least some of it  |
That's not what Exodus says, so that sounds like a fanciful song-and-dance around the issue:
34:1
And the LORD said unto Moses, Hew thee two tables of stone like unto the first: and I will write upon these tables the words that were in the first tables, which thou brakest.
34:2
And be ready in the morning, and come up in the morning unto mount Sinai, and present thyself there to me in the top of the mount.
34:3
And no man shall come up with thee, neither let any man be seen throughout all the mount; neither let the flocks nor herds feed before that mount.
34:4
And he hewed two tables of stone like unto the first; and Moses rose up early in the morning, and went up unto mount Sinai, as the LORD had commanded him, and took in his hand the two tables of stone.
Then, after saying some lovely things about how great-grandchildren are considered guilty for their ancestor's sins and that the Jews should persecute others, he starts with the new Commandments:
34:14
For thou shalt worship no other god: for the LORD, whose name is Jealous, is a jealous God
Etc., as it then goes on with the second list I posted, which decidedly is NOT the same as the first list.
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Ft. Lauderdale, FL Communist Party of Apolyton
Jun 2000
time: 00:33
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It's interesting how a little creative interpretation makes the ten commandments into crazy Christian commandmants.
Idolatry is the worship of idols, specifically, statues (like statues of the Ten Commandments, ironically enough), fetishes, graven images, etc. Going to Lordes or trying to touch of piece of the splinter of the true cross are idolatry, not having a different idea about God than what some bible-thumping moron tells you.
Taking the name of the lord in vain is not using God as a swaer word, it is blaiming God. If you blame God for your misfoturnes, then you are taking his name in vain. If you say you are doing something in the name of God, you are taking his name in vain. Fred Phelps, for example, persecutes gays in the name of God. His is violating this commandment.
Christians keep the wrong day holy. It's sundown Friday to sundown Saturday. The seventh day, not the first day, and it was a night, and a day. I wonder which Bible all these idiots bible studiers study. 
Bearing false witness against a neighbor means, don't give false testimony in court. It doesn't mean, don't lie.
Committing adultery means in the real world, not in your heart. You weren't stoned to death for wanting to committ it, just committing it.
Finally, not coveting is just unrealistic, isn't it. If I never wanted something someone else had, I'd never be able to buy anything.
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Mr. Nice Guy
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"I'm gonna speak softly, but carry a BIG STICK!!!"
Mar 2002
time: 23:33
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Here is something to help clear up some misconceptions found in this thread:
Anyone who thinks that the entire Bible should be interpreted literally is mistaken. Some of it actually is metaphorical. Some of it is symbolic. And some of it just simply makes some good points. The key to finding the true meaning of scripture found in the Bible is the gift of wisdom, and wisdom comes only from God.
Anyone who thinks that you have believe that the creation story happened a certain way or that Noah's flood happened a certain way to get into heaven is mistaken. This and other brain boggling "scientific" stuff found in the Bible has absolutely nothing to do with faith. As long you believe that God had a hand in all of it you are just fine. 
One does not receive their salvation by following the law [of God]. One receives salvation by praying that Christ forgives them for their sins and comes into their heart (and meaning it). Remember, in the end God ultimately looks at a person's heart when determining wether or not they have recieved their salvation. Following the law is just a way of helping to purify the heart, but this does not mean that someone who is in their last moment of life can ask for salvation and not receive it.  To clarify, take a look at these links:
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As you can plainly see, both are links (posted by yours truly) to the exact same poll found in this thread, except that one is a little different because there are 6 options at maximum allowed in the poll. Both are posted on Christian websites with an all Christian or mostly Christian populous. As you can also plainly see that the people who voted on these polls only did a little better overall than the mostly atheist/agnostic populous here at the Apolyton OTF (Apolyton is at a very dissapointing 1 checkmark per voter at last check).  This clarifies that though Christians are Christian we are all still human and we all still make mistakes; we all commit sin when we don't intend to and/or just don't realize what were doing. We all fall short of the glory of God. And if Christ hadn't come to this earth to take our punishment and save us from our sins, every human being that ever lived would go hell in the end.
And about hell. Many people don't want to believe that there is a hell. Many people don't want to believe in a God that would throw the unjust into eternal torture in the afterlife. Many think that such a God would be a ruthless God that wants nothing but vengeance in the end. But think about it. Hundreds of countries in this world have Criminal Justice Systems, where people are tried for their crimes and those found guilty are punished and the innocent go free. In much the same way, God has his own Justice System:
From bible.gospelcom.net
Revelation 20
The Dead Are Judged
11Then I saw a great white throne and him who was seated on it. Earth and sky fled from his presence, and there was no place for them. 12And I saw the dead, great and small, standing before the throne, and books were opened. Another book was opened, which is the book of life. The dead were judged according to what they had done (elaborated on in Psalm 62:12, Jeremiah 17:10, Romans 2:6, 1 Peter 1:17) as recorded in the books. 13The sea gave up the dead that were in it, and death and Hades gave up the dead that were in them, and each person was judged according to what he had done. 14Then death and Hades were thrown into the lake of fire. The lake of fire is the second death. 15If anyone's name was not found written in the book of life, he was thrown into the lake of fire.
Remember, good works help to purify the heart and God will ultimately judge each man (and woman) by what is in their heart. But a man does not enter the Kingdom of Heaven by good works alone, but by becoming a believer and accepting Christ's fogiveness, mercy and grace.
And for those of you that think that being thrown into a "mythical lake of fire" for eternity is barbaric, I just so happen to agree with you on that. Rather, I do believe that this is one the many examples of highly metaphorical and symbolic scripture found in the Bible. I personally accept the interpretation that Hell is a place of eternal isolation and separation from God.
Many Non-christians find that living in sin and wickedness is fun and entertaining, that this is the ideal lifestyle for anyone. They think, "How could I just abandon this lifestly? It's so  !" But the truth is, if you continue to live this way someday you will reach point in your life when you will regret it; you will break down and wish that you had lived very differently. When living a non-Christian lifestyle, sure you may have some successes and some victories, but the truth is that ultimately one day it will all fall back on you. Or worse, you may die before receiving your salvation and spend an eternity in hell.
So don't delay! For anyone wanting to become a Christian right now at this very moment I can point you in the right direction: Just click here. The rest is self explanatory. Don't wait for this! This is the most important decision of your life! Your life and your afterlife depends on it! Go on. It's time you broke out of your "prison" of sin and wickedness! 
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Jon Miller
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so that is what happened to him
I wondered
jon Miler
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gamenaught
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As you can also plainly see that the people who voted on these polls only did a little better overall than the mostly atheist/agnostic populous here at the Apolyton |
That pretty much agrees with other studies I (vaguely) recall that concluded that the behaviors of the religious varied little or none from non-believers. I find that baffling. You would think that all the church going, Sunday school attending, praying, and Bible reading would make a difference but it apparently doesn’t.
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gamenaught
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This clarifies that though Christians are Christian |
and hypocrites in many cases.
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Jon Miller
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I know that I for example, have kept the Sabbath in the past
this was only for this year, wgich has regretably been my laxess year
there have been periods of my life when I kept 8-10 of the commandments
I fully expect this next year to be better
Jon Miller
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