02-01-2004 17:56									#1
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...the were no countries?

are there really people who think that that is in any way possible?

	02-01-2004 18:05									#2
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There can be only one.

	02-01-2004 18:09									#3
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the world is separated into nations. you're forgetting national conciousness.

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..and Nazis

	02-01-2004 20:52									#5
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With very few exceptions - national identity is irrelevent nowadays. It's how much cash is in the bank.

Of course, most people haven't actually worked this out yet ("my country is the best") but when they do the idea of nationality will gradually die.

	02-01-2004 21:00									#6
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How would the immensely complex modern econmic system of redistributing goods and services be regulated? What about conflict resolution?

Even if state were not based on nationality, which they need not be at all, some form of government is needed, and what would you call that?

	02-01-2004 21:05									#7
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quote: Originally posted by Cruddy With very few exceptions - national identity is irrelevent nowadays. It's how much cash is in the bank. Of course, most people haven't actually worked this out yet ("my country is the best") but when they do the idea of nationality will gradually die.

The above thinking is a major problem with the New Urban Left at the moment.

Nationality identities can have a deep and lasting influence on a person's beliefs, and just dismissing this by saying stuff like "well, I'm cleverer than you, I've realised this connection you feel is a fraud; I'm better than you, I speak to lots of different nationalities on the web, et cetc" is incredibly short-sighted and ignorantly elitist.

	02-01-2004 21:06									#8
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Maybe not unified earth... yet. But what about the Credit? Single, unified currency?

Can americans give up their precious dollar, or would they insist that others take up US$ as their currency... It wouldn't work without them...

	02-01-2004 21:08									#9
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where is Oerdin when I need him to understand my threads?

you guys didnt get my what if thread, and you dont get this one either. I mock you, yes thats I m-o-c-k you.

	02-01-2004 21:10									#10
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue The above thinking is a major problem with the New Urban Left at the moment. Nationality identities can have a deep and lasting influence on a person's beliefs, and just dismissing this by saying stuff like "well, I'm cleverer than you, I've realised this connection you feel is a fraud; I'm better than you, I speak to lots of different nationalities on the web, et cetc" is incredibly short-sighted and ignorantly elitist.

Ah, but what if this is actually the case and one particular individual has more insight than another?

"Don't hide your light under a bushel".

	02-01-2004 21:13									#11
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quote: Ah, but what if this is actually the case and one particular individual has more insight than another?

Yes, what if.

	02-01-2004 21:14									#12
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And what if PA actually comes out of the closet??

	02-01-2004 21:14									#13
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You give no link... you have no evidence... YOU CRIMINAL!!!!

	02-01-2004 21:19									#14
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IT'S HELICOPTER TIME!!!!!!!!!!

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The funny thing is just when I saw that post, Theben, I looked out the window and a helicopter was flying over (because of the Peach Bowl Parade) .

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"And what if PA actually comes out of the closet??"

Well if I ever was in a position where I had to, in another life, I would most likely shoot myself first.

	02-01-2004 21:23									#17
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One hopes that you would anyway.

	02-01-2004 21:24									#18
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So, let me get this right... just because I think "nationality" is at least partly myth, I'm a lefty?

	02-01-2004 21:25									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The funny thing is just when I saw that post, Theben, I looked out the window and a helicopter was flying over (because of the Peach Bowl Parade) .

Did you see any flying communists?

	02-01-2004 21:26									#20
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quote: With very few exceptions - national identity is irrelevent nowadays

Love to burst your bubble, but most Americans are proud to be American. I happen to be one of them.





and where is Oerdin!

	02-01-2004 21:26									#21
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quote: Did you see any flying communists?

Not recently.. but I'll keep an eye out .

	02-01-2004 21:28									#22
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You should try to catch them.

It'd be the "right" thing to do...

	03-01-2004 09:28									#23
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue "And what if PA actually comes out of the closet??" Well if I ever was in a position where I had to, in another life, I would most likely shoot myself first.

and you're not homophobic

	03-01-2004 09:38									#24
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quote: Of course, most people haven't actually worked this out yet ("my country is the best") but when they do the idea of nationality will gradually die.

so loving your country makes you ignorant now?

oh dear...

	03-01-2004 11:35									#25
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I prefer to love my species as opposed to a group of people whose existance in this particular piece of land at this particular moment in time is somewhat random.

	03-01-2004 11:46									#26
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quote: Originally posted by Space05us ...the were no countries?

I may say that you're a dreamer. but you're not the only one.

	03-01-2004 11:48									#27
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quote: Originally posted by Park Avenue The above thinking is a major problem with the New Urban Left at the moment. Nationality identities can have a deep and lasting influence on a person's beliefs, and just dismissing this by saying stuff like "well, I'm cleverer than you, I've realised this connection you feel is a fraud; I'm better than you, I speak to lots of different nationalities on the web, et cetc" is incredibly short-sighted and ignorantly elitist.

It has nothing to do with the left and everything to do with not having blind faith. Nationalism may or may not be evil or bad, but it is inarguably stupid. Yeah, other people who live in the same country as me did good stuff, yay aren't I great?

	03-01-2004 20:37									#28
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SPAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAM!

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oh sorry, posted this after reading the first 20 posts, didn't know the phase is already over...

	03-01-2004 21:00									#30
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quote: where is Oerdin when I need him to understand my threads?

...in Iraq. Oh, the irony. He's part of the US militiary there, I think. We might as well as spam the thread to death by personal questions upon waiting to Ming to close this thread.

So, Space05us, you really are from Alaska? I've been wondering, what's the living in there like? Same as in the more normally geographically located states?