04-01-2004 19:47									#1
	Turn 152, 360 AD Get a bigger avatar today!

To be edited by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Republic
- Researching Invention - 5 turns
- 550 gold cash, +45 gpt. (est)
- Slider at 9/0/1 tax/sci/lux

Urgent questions & tasks:
MoW - ??
MoW/MoI- Build Ques?
MoI -
MoI -
FAM -
FAM -

Unit movement & actions

Unit Roster

To be edited by MoW

Economy:
Apolyton - Building Num Merc (turn 2 of 3 schedualed). Note: needed to let city recharge.
Lakeveiw - Building Warrior (turn 9 of 10).
Mingapulco - Settler built, start building Library (turn 1 of 8).
Chaquita - Building Granary (turn 14 of 26 - still looking at schedual).
Bananatopia - Building Library (turn 6 of 8 - schedual TBD).
Incensity - Building Library (turn 2 of 10).
X - Building Granary (turn 8 of ?? - Schedual TBD).
Tripoli - Building Palace (for Wonder prebuild (turn ?? of ??).
Equilibrium - Building Settler (turn 27 of 30)
Hispanica - Building Library (turn 9 of 11).
Power of Victory - building Walls (turn 14 of 20).
Karina - Building Forbiddden Palace (turn 23 of 27 schedualed).
LuxInvicta - Worker built, start building Worker (turn 1 of 3 schedualed).
Big Bend - Building Granary (turn 14 of 16 schedualed).
BigFurryCity - Building Library (turn 5 of 8).
New Apolyton - Building Granary (turn 6 of ?? - Schedual TBD).
Heart of Darkness - Market built, start building Settler (turn 2 of 6??).
Elucidium Novum - Building Worker (turn 3 of 5 schedualed).

WF:
Apolyton - starting WF 4-5-8-13-14 (working game). Change WF to 3-4-12-13-16.
Lakeview - starting WF 14. NC.
Mingapulco - (Settler built, Worker Added) starting WF ??2-5-6-10-12??. Change WF to 3-5-6-9-10..
Chiquita - (grows this turn) starting WF ??1??-6-13. Change WF to 1-6-10.
Bananatopia - (grows this turn) starting WF 2-??3??-8-15-18. Change WF to 2-3-8-15-19 (working game).
Incensity - (Worker Added) starting WF 5-6-7-??14??-17. Change WF to 4-5-6-7-17.
X- (grows this turn) starting WF 1-??6??. Change WF to 1-2.
Tripoli - starting WF 2-4-9-17-19. NC.
Equilibrium - starting WF 6 & Scientist. NC.
Hispanica - starting WF 1-2-3-4-12-20. NC.
PoV - starting WF to 2-3. NC.
Karina - starting WF 1-4-11-13-17-19. NC.
LuxInvicta - (Worker built) starting WF ??1-3-11??. Change WF to 1-3-5.
Big Bend - (grows this turn) starting WF 1-??3??-4-10-19. Change WF to 1-3-4-8-10.
BigFurryCity - starting WF 5-6-7-8-19-20. NC.
New Apolyton - starting WF 3. NC.
Heart of Darkness - starting WF 3-4-5-10-11-12. NC.
Elucidium Novum - starting WF 2-3-8. NC.

To be edited by MoI

Workers:
New Worker from Lux (don't bother naming him) - move to Ming and join city.
Gregor - move into Incensity and join city.
Spike & Moosefart - Irrigate (done).
Mark & Otto - move 4-4 (to Chiquita 1-4).
Lib & Slave Farb - move 6-6-9.
GP, rah, rush, Sanchez & Screech - move 7-7 (to NA 6-7).
Yo & Slave Anarchy - move 9-9 (joining other 5).
Go3 (MrWIA, EVC & Dejon) - move 4-1-4.
Empress - Start Roading (2 turns to complete).
Ian - move 9 (to Karina 7) and start Mining (3 turns to complete).
Horse & Squid - Start Clearing Jungle (6 turns to complete).
Monkee & CalcII - 5 turns left to clear.
Frodo & Out of Darkness - 4 turns left to clear.
Dan & Gits - 2 turns left to clear.

Settlers: see General Overall City Placement Plan #1 for locations
Settler NanaA (going to silks site) - move 2, will build city next turn.
Settler NYE Kicks Butt (going to site 27 - Referance name "cows") - move 1-1-1.
Settler Builders Rule (going to site 29 - Referance name "river") - move 2-3-2.
Settler PolyA (going to site 30 - Referance name "Corner") - move 1-1-2.
New Settler from Ming (name him MingA, going to site 28 - Referance name "Horse") - move 1-1-2.


Diplomacy:
GCA: ???
CFC: ???
CGN: ???
GWT: ???

Comment, please, many "plans" (especially those marked with '??') are just suggestions or ideas, not decisions already made.

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Note: keypad directions used for all except in WF orders.

Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results

Last edited by E_T on 20-01-2004 at 01:39

	17-01-2004 12:22									#2
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We sent CFC Dyes last turn. Once we get our new Silks city built, we should send them Silks as well.

On an unrelated note, I now feel we should dedicate some money to investigating a GWT city near Ruhrpott to see if they have their FP in place yet. We have sufficient evidence Ruhrpott being size 7, requiring a 100-shield Aquaduct in particular) which gives evidence that they have a FP in place already. Given the changing geo-political situation with regards to GWT's golden age, CGN heading for Military Tradition and otherwise, I think it is a good time to look into this more thoroughly.

	18-01-2004 14:16									#3
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Also, once we get our new Silks city built (not this turn but next turn it seems), we should carry out E_T's renaming plan, (re)naming 3 cities at the same time:

• Rename X to Area X
  
• Rename New Apolyton to Apolyton Prime
  
• Name the Silks city (see Min of Lex thread for suggestions)
  

	18-01-2004 14:23									#4
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E_T - if you edit the 'Settlers' part, can you add where they are heading?

	18-01-2004 16:31									#5
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quote: Originally posted by Trip We sent CFC Dyes last turn. Once we get our new Silks city built, we should send them Silks as well. On an unrelated note, I now feel we should dedicate some money to investigating a GWT city near Ruhrpott to see if they have their FP in place yet. We have sufficient evidence Ruhrpott being size 7, requiring a 100-shield Aquaduct in particular) which gives evidence that they have a FP in place already. Given the changing geo-political situation with regards to GWT's golden age, CGN heading for Military Tradition and otherwise, I think it is a good time to look into this more thoroughly.

I'd say its a forgone conclusion that it is there. Look at the city grouping and the fact that they built an aqueduct (not that they could not buy it, but I doubt they did). Lets not waste any money investigating something that we most likely already know is true.

	19-01-2004 10:46									#6
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I agree with BigFree on this. There is no real reason why we need to investigate that city. If CGn wants to know then we can do it for them in exchange for gold. Let's not waste our own hard earned gold.

	19-01-2004 20:03									#7
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I agree. We could ask CGN if they would like us to do it for them, with them footing the bill.

-Arrian

	19-01-2004 22:21									#8
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I disagree. I don't think the intelligence is worth much to CGN right now, and I don't really think we should encourage them to waste gold they could use on upgrades. If they don't stalemate over there we have a serious problem for our overall chances of victory.

I also think its a foregone conclusion that their FP is either going to be in that general area or is there now. Probally right where we think it is, and probally already built.

	19-01-2004 23:24									#9
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They may already know that the FP is there, just by running Their own sims (or some other method).

If CGN wants (or needs the information) then we can get it for them. I would say that the price would depend on how much they needed the info, but start it out at 1/2 of the cost a work from there.

But we should not get the Info and then expect CGN to actually need it, atleast enough for them to want to pay for it.

E_T

	19-01-2004 23:29									#10
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From the UN Thread, whatever problem GWT was having with the save is not fixed and they have sent the save on to GCA. We should see the save sometime tonight.

E_T

	20-01-2004 00:57									#11
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knowing or not knowing if GWT has an FP or not at this time does not really make a big difference to us, IMO. Let's burn our cash with science!!

	20-01-2004 09:07									#12
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Trip reports that the save is here.

	20-01-2004 10:08									#13
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It looks like Trip is having connectivity issues (???) and I'm going to bed because I've been on the road traveling through snow in the m ountains since midday today and I'm tired.

The save shoul be played sometime tomorrow (Tuesday), I will assume (for those interested). Has the time for established playing of turns changed from 9 p.m. EST now that we are in peace or are we still waiting for 9 p.m. EST (or all Consuls) as before?

	20-01-2004 11:55									#14
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I'm sure someone else would see this, but it is sort of hard to see on my map. There is a barb camp 2 2 2 2 2 of Tripoli.

Also, the Germans have iron hooked up again (the one by Meiertopia). The Germans have iron, GCA does not.

No civ has Theology yet.

	20-01-2004 13:43									#15
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Here's the turn:

http://home.comcast.net/~bigfree1/M...ans_0360_BC.SAV

	21-01-2004 07:35									#16
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OK, do we need new Consuls or something? Can we get someone to play the turn?

	21-01-2004 08:52									#17
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MZ is already playing the turn. The reason I was not in chat until now is that, being an American citizen and somewhat involved in the political process of my country, I was listening to the President give his State of the Union Address.

One issue that needs to be addressed by the Consuls (as a group with each other) is how to approach when and how the turn should be played now that we are in peace. The only reason I did not play the turn earlier today (I did have time to play it then) was that we had previously agreed that all turns should wait until 9 p.m. EST to be played by ALL Consuls that can make that time.

Now that we are in peace, I do not believe it would be harmful for one Consul to simply play the turn when and if it arrives (though we may still want to establish some guidelines on that). I did not want to do that on my own without consulting the other Consuls, however.

So, yes, the issue will be addressed.

EDIT: I have raised this issue and the consuls are/will discuss it and hopefully come to a new agreement on how to handle turns now that we are in peacetime.

Last edited by Arnelos on 21-01-2004 at 08:59

	21-01-2004 10:17									#18
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The turn has now been played and sent to CFC (actually sent a bit ago). CFC is, in fact, already playing their turn. Master Zen is having enormous difficulty with connections (he can't seem to post on 'poly or MZO right now, but can still use IRC, though he gets kicked every few minutes from that).

I'm posting here to let everyone know that the save has been played and sent. I am doing the same at 1BC. Master Zen says that he can post the turn report and screenshots after his connection is fixed tomorrow.

Thank you for your patience.

	21-01-2004 10:35									#19
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Update: Ok, I've posted at the U.N. on CDG (it's new home). I've also requested that turns be sent to Master Zen as well in the future (since he's currently not on the list).

	21-01-2004 10:54									#20
	Turn 152 - 360 AD Report Tired of ads?

Consuls Present: Master Zen, Arnelos
Ministers Present: -
Collaborated: roadcage


General

- Renamed X "Area X"
- Renamed New Apolyton "Apolyton Prime"


Diplomacy

- Accepted WM from CFC. Sent WM to CFC.


Military


Scouting


- Horse Tripoli moves to Nevermore 8-9
- Knight Bambi moves 2-2-2-2-6-4 (patroling Ennet's previous position)
- Knight Togas moves to Big Bend 3-3-3 (after new barb hut)


Military

- Knight BigKnight moves to Karina 1
- Catapults at Equilibrium forted
- Knight Ennet (2/4) moves to Elucidum Novum to heal

- MI vlad moves 9
- MI MJW moves 2 What was the intention of moving him 8 last turn??
- MI WIA moves 2


Naval

- Seeker moves 4-4 and Forts
- Hunter moves 7-8-7

R.I.P. Princess of Apolyton and its valiant captain, WhiteBandit, who stayed in his ship as it went under. His last words were "I hope they name a city Protuberance in my honor".


Workers & Settlers

Workers

- New Worker from Lux - moves to Ming and joins city.
- Gregor - moves into Incensity and joins city.
- Spike & Moosefart - Irrigate (done).
- Mark & Otto - move 4-4.
- Lib & Slave Farb - move 6-6-9.
- GP, rah, rush, Sanchez & Screech - move 7-7.
- Yo & Slave Anarchy - move 9-9.
- Go3 (MrWIA, EVC & Dejon) - move 4-1-4.
- Empress - starts Roading (2 turns to complete).
- Ian - moves 9 and starts Mining (3 turns to complete).
- Horse & Squid - start Clearing Jungle (6 turns to complete).

- Monkee & CalcII - 5 turns left to clear.
- Frodo & Out of Darkness - 4 turns left to clear.
- Dan & Gits - 2 turns left to clear.


Settlers

- Settler NanaA - moves 2, will build city next turn.
- Settler NYE Kicks Butt - moves 1-1-1.
- Settler Builders Rule - moves 2-3-2.
- Settler PolyA - moves 1-1-2.
- Settler MingA - moves 1-1-2.


Economy


City Builds

LuxInvicta - starting worker
Mingapulco - forgot to change to Library. Don't forget to change next turn.


Workforce

*changes in italics

Apolyton - changed WF to 3-4-12-13-16.
Lakeview - starting WF 14. NC.
Mingapulco - changed WF to 3-5-6-9-10..
Chiquita - changed WF to 1-6-10.
Bananatopia - changed WF to 2-3-8-15-19.
Incensity - changed WF to 4-5-6-7-17.
Area X- changed WF to 1-2.
Tripoli - starting WF 2-4-9-17-19. NC.
Equilibrium - starting WF 6 & Scientist. NC.
Hispanica - starting WF 1-2-3-4-12-20. NC.
PoV - starting WF to 2-3. NC.
Karina - starting WF 1-4-11-13-17-19. NC.
LuxInvicta - changed WF to 1-3-5.
Big Bend - changed WF to 1-3-4-8-10.
BigFurryCity - starting WF 5-6-7-8-19-20. NC.
Apolyton Prime - starting WF 3. NC.
Heart of Darkness - starting WF 3-4-5-10-11-12. NC.
Elucidium Novum - starting WF 2-3-8. NC.



Lucky posting, let's see if I can post the pictures too... apologies for my connection difficulties, they should be solved tomorrow


[EDIT by E_T]
Cash power = 173 GPT
Sci power = 148 BPT
[/edit]

Last edited by E_T on 23-03-2004 at 23:27

	21-01-2004 15:09									#21
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Oh, no not the princess, this is a disaster.
It was the finest ship ever build at Apolyton Boat-Yard.

	21-01-2004 20:10									#22
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Actually, the city renaming should have taken place next turn ..!