04-01-2004 19:50									#1
	Turn 153, 370 AD Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

To be edited by the Consuls and Ministers.

Status:
- Republic
- Researching Invention - 4 turns
- 622 gold cash, 50 gpt. (est)
- Slider at 9/0/1 tax/sci/lux

Urgent questions & tasks:
MoW - Work on and complete a long-term defense plan
MoW/MoI- Build Ques?
MoI - REX, preparing for palace jump
MoI - wonder builds?
FAM - CFC tech sharing deal: amount of money
FAM - Peace with GCA
Consulate and Team - MoI is changing Lakeview build to a Galley, do we want to rush build it (84 Gold now and subtract 4GPT afterwards)?
Consulate and Team - Rush building Walls on PoV (24 Gold now and subtract 4GPT afterwards), so that we can start on another Galley or Temple?
Consulate and Team - Work on and complete a new strategic plan

Edit by Arnelos: E_T, please retain the old "Urgent questions & tasks" section from previous turns.

Unit movement & actions

Unit Roster

To be edited by MoW

Economy:

To be edited by MoI

WF:

To be edited by MoI

Workers:
Go3 (MrWIA, EVC & Dejon) - Road (done).
Note to Consuls: Important that this next sequence is followed exactly - begin sequence
Change build in Lakeveiw to any wonder - directs chopped sheilds to Apolyton Prime.
GP, rush, rah, Sanchez & Screech - Chop (done).
Yo & Slave Anarchy - Road (done)
Change build in Lakeveiw to Galley
End Sequence
Spike & Moosefart - move 8 (to HoD 3) and Irrigate (done).
Mark & Otto - start clearing Jungle (6 turn to complete).
Note to Consuls - Lib & Farbs orders depend on if we are delaying Equil Handover
Lib & Slave Farb - If delaying, move 1-4-4, will start Mining next turn. If not delaying, move 6-9-8, will start roading next turn.
Dan & Gits - tile cleared, workers frozen.
Empress - road built, worker frozen.
Frodo & Out of Darkness - 3 turns left to clear.
Monkee & CalcII - 4 turns left to clear.
Horse & Squid - 5 turns left to clear.

Settlers: see General Overall City Placement Plan #1 for locations
Settler NanaA (At silks site) - Build city. See Above for build and WF setting.
Settler NYE Kicks Butt (going to "cows") - move 2-1. Will build city next turn.
Settler Builders Rule (going to "river") - move 3-2-6. Will build city next turn.
Settler PolyA (going to "Corner") - move 2-2-2.
Settler MingA (going to "Horse") - move" 2-2-2.


Diplomacy:
GCA: (Mostly) Phony War (War in game)
CFC: Alliance, NAP (Peace in game)
CGN: Peace, Tech Embargo against GWT (Peace in game)
GWT: Cold War (Peace in game)

Edit by Arnelos: E_T, if you form a new turnthread, please leave this section the same. We'll alter it if need be as things change. Thanks.

Comment, please, many "plans" (especially those marked with '??') are just suggestions or ideas, not decisions already made.

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Note: keypad directions used for all except in WF orders.

Discussion and basic reporting to follow. See the topped thread for comprehensive results

Last edited by Arnelos on 22-01-2004 at 14:31

	21-01-2004 13:13									#2
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*bump*

Updated a few things here.

	21-01-2004 13:56									#3
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We will be using THIS thread. My apologies for the confusion.

	22-01-2004 02:48									#4
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Arnie, If you'll notice, I've been using a tempate to post these last few turnthreads with. It's not been too much to ask, but I've been trying to get the Consuls to post these threads and link them into the Index. After asking too many times, I had done them myself, because I was needing them up. If the Consuls didn't do the later job of editing the required information (instead of spamming in the chatroom), then we wouldn't have this problem... I have too many other things on my plate to babysit them.

MoI E_T

	22-01-2004 03:53									#5
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I agree with ET on that.

	22-01-2004 05:36									#6
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Ok, as you'll notice, I added a few turnthreads and updated the turnthread index thread last night. I'll try to keep ahead of it in the future, as I'll be the first to admit that I've been rather busy over the holidays.

Thanks, E_T.

	22-01-2004 09:54									#7
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Turn is here an ALL THREE consuls are present.

I've opened up the save and am starting the turnchat now.

EDIT: Err.... no WF or economy orders from the MoI.

Well, shoot. I'm afraid we're going to screw up E_T's entire system if we start just guessing around... that said, Trip and I are currently looking at all of the WFs and seeing if we can figure out what should be done.

Last edited by Arnelos on 22-01-2004 at 10:01

	22-01-2004 10:07									#8
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issues to be debated:

Delay disbanding Eq?

I would like to sink that silly GCA galley in the ocean. It will cause nothing but trouble and the quicker we get it out of our sight, the better. I am sure that CFC would understand if we delayed it.


oh and one more thing:

I forgot to change Mingapulco to Library last turn, please don't forget that

	22-01-2004 10:10									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Master Zen I forgot to change Mingapulco to Library last turn, please don't forget that

Got it.

	22-01-2004 11:01									#10
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Ok, after Trip and I spent quite a while working on ~8 turns of WF plans for Apolyton, Banana, and Mingapulco (along with looking at any other WF changes that might be needed this turn), I spent quite some additional time typing that up and explaining WHY.

Now we should be ready to finally progress with the rest of the turn.

	22-01-2004 14:24									#11
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Turn 153 - 370 A.D. Turn Report

Attendance
Arnelos
Trip (left early)
Master Zen (left late)
HTower (left late)
Kloreep (left early)
Togas (left late)
BigFree (popped in and out late)
E_T (came late)

Start of Turn

* Arnelos and Trip spent a VERY long time working on WF plans for our cities. Once that was done and Arnelos spent some more time writing that stuff up, the turn playing commenced.

Theology received from CGN (accepted)
25 Gold and WM received from CFC (accepted)

Foreign Affairs

Theology received from CGN (accepted)
25 Gold and WM received from CFC (accepted)
Sent WM (accepted) to CFC

* Togas and Trip conducted a chat with Donovan Zoi of CFC while the first parts of the turn were underway. CFC now agrees to send us 35 gold each turn rather than 25. Donovan Zoi will also look into raising that number (35 is apparently all he was authorized to raise it to, he claims to need public support for higher) to boost our collective research. CFC also agrees that Apolyton should hold Equilibrium for the immediate future while we move/build galleys into the lake to bowl over that pesky GCA galley. I believe Togas has the chatlog.

Christening Units

During the turn, Horse Incensity was renamed Knight Sir E_T

Reconnaisance Forces

Trip: "Knight Togas in the SE goes for that barb camp (should be adjacent to it after moving)

Knight Sir Togas (at Big Bend 3-3-3) moves 2 to BB 3-3-3-2
barb warrior spotted at BB 3-3-3-3-2
Knight Sir Togas (at Big Bend 3-3-3-2) attacks barb warrior and wins (Sir Togas still 4/4)
barb warrior spotted in barb camp at BB 3-3-3-3-2-2

Naval Forces

AIS Seeker (north of the Core) moves 1-2 and forts
AIS Hunter (north of the Core) moves 8 and forts

Workers

Dejon, EVC, & MrWIA (at EN 7-7-7) road (done)
Build in Lakeview changed to Great Wall
GP, rush, rah, Sanchez, & Screech (at AP 4-7) chop (done)
Yo & Slave Anarchy (at AP 4-7) road (done)
Build in Lakeview changed to Galley
Spike & Moosefart (at HoD 2-3) move 8 (to HoD 3) an irrigate (done)
Mark & Otto (at Chiquita 1-4) start clearing jungle
Lib & Slave Farb (at Chiquita 7-4) move 1-4-4

Settlers

Settler NanaA (at silks site) builds Iceburg (temporary name)
Settler NYE Kicks Butt (at PoV 6-3) moves 2-1 to Anarchy 4-7
Settler Builders Rule (at AP 9) moves 3-2-6 (AP 6-3-3)
Settler PolyA and Settler MingA (at Karina 7) move 2-2-2 to X 9
Settler MingA (going to "Horse") moves 2-2-2

Northern Forces

none

Western Forces

Trip: "All MIs except BFI should be withdrawn in the West to near Equilibrium to prepare for the GCA galley again"
* Arnelos and Master Zen later decide to only withdraw MrWIA while leaving Vlad and BFI on pickett.
MI Vlad Antlerkov (at Eq 4-4-4-1) forts
MI MrWhereItsAt (at Eq 4-4-7-7) moves 3 to Eq 4-4-7
MI MJW (at Eq 6) forts

Southern Forces

Trip: "MI Robin in the south can be withdrawn (new silks city)"
Trip: "One MI in Lakeview should be moved/withdrawn (with knights coming south)
Trip: "MI just west of PoV can move 4-6 just to see what's there

MI Robin (at Iceburg 1) moves 9 into Iceburg
MI Aidun (in Lakeview) moves 9-8-8 to Lakeview 9-8-8
MI Igor (at Pov 4) moves 4-6 (back and forth), seeing nothing new in his travels

Core Reserve Forces

Trip: "One NM in the core can be moved elsewhere (right now we have 1 in the north, 1 in the SE, 1 in the center and NM NYE is near Incensity and can be moved elsewhere)
Trip: "move horse tripoli north to Ming for upgrade"

Horse Tripoli (at Inevitable 8-9) moves 7-8-8-8-8-8 to X 3
Horse Incensity (at Karina 1) moves 8-8-9-9 and upgrades to Knight Sir E_T

Southern Reserve Forces

Trip: "Force of 5 knights should be stationed in the south... currently we have 1 in Elucidium and 1 en route, so 3 more should be sent south... this will also help defend against the GCA galley while they're moving"

Knight Sir Ennet (in EN) skips turn to heal
Knight Sir Bambi (at EN 9-9) moves 2-2-2-2-2-2 to Inevitable
Sir BigKnight, Sir conMcKnight, and Knight Count of BFC (at Karina 1) move 2-2-2-2-2-2 to EN 3-3

WF Placements

This is what Trip and I originally came to since we didn't have any MoI orders as a guide:

quote: * Apolyton WF to 3-4-6-12-13-14 (2 FPT, 10 SPT, NM in 1 turn) - Allows Apolyton to then build its settler more quickly * Banana WF to 2-3-6-15-19 (4 fpt, 8 spt, Pop Expand in 1 turn) - Banana expands this next turn. It's currently 47/80 shields. At 8 spt, by next turn (when pop expands), it will be 55/80 shields, plus whatever bump we get from the pop increase. It can then establish a WF of 2-3-4-6-13-15 (1 fpt, 13 spt) for at least one turn to make sure we get the library in 2 turns at that point. If we're going to have an extra 2 shields, swap #13 for #14, which is 2 less spt, 1 more fpt (wasted at pop 6), and 1 more trade (every single one counts). * Mingapulco WF to 2-3-5-6-9 (1 fpt, 9 spt, growth in 6 turns). - At 10/80 shields toward its library (switched from settler), it would take 8 turns. However, it grows in 6 and the new WF can be put to work at #8 (hill) for 3 more shields. From the current turn, that would put the library at 64/80 in 6 turns, plus any bonus from the pop increase. From there, it can have a WF of 2-3-5-6-8-9 (0 fpt, 12 spt), getting it to 76/80 shields by the next turn. If it can get a few more shields from the pop increase and perhaps borrow the shielded grassland tile back from Apolyton, it could make it in 7 turns from now rather than 8 turns from now. * LuxInvicta WF to 1-2-3 (3 fpt, 3 spt, growth still in 1 turn) * BigBend WF to 1-3-4-8-19 (3 fpt, 4 spt, growth in 6 turns) - We assume this (swap of irrigated tile from Lux to BB) is what E_T already had planned

After Trip left and E_T showed up, I talked with E_T for a while and had him explain to me what he had planned for those cities and why that would work better over the long haul. I'll go into that briefly, as I understand it:
The reason the game tile is given to Banana for now and not Apolyton is that Banana with use of the game tile is more efficient for completing multiple settlers quickly. It will next have an opportunity to do so after the completion of its current library. The reason it will keep the game tile during that is to build up food so that it's population remains relatively high while building settlers (and thus building more settlers, faster). By contrast, Apolyton will only get the game tile intermitantly (2 turns of every 6 if I understood E_T correctly) because that's all it needs to keep the cycle it's currently working for pumping NM and settlers until the point where it will work toward the palace swap in the future.

Now, without Apolyton getting the game tile and it staying with Banana, the other WFs largely go unchanged compared to the changes at which Trip and I were looking. A change preserved in the swap of the irrigated tile from LuxInvicta to BigBend.

Apolyton: Set WF to 3-4-8-12-13-16
Mingapulco: 3-5-6-9-10
Banana: 2-3-8-15-19
LuxInvicta: 1-3-11
BigBend: 1-3-5-10-19
Iceburg: 5

Economy

Lakeview switched to Galley (see Worker Orders)
Mingapulco switched from Settler to Library (not an actual change, MZ just forgot this last turn)
Equilibrium switched from Settler to Galley (because abandon was delayed and we could use the galley against GCA)
Iceburg starts Worker (10 turns)

Demographics

Approval Rating: 73% (2nd)
Population: 2255000 (3rd)
GNP: 239 million (3rd)
Mfg. Goods: 94 megatons (3rd)
Land Area: 19100 square miles (3rd)
Literacy: 3% (4th)
Disease: 2% (4th)
Pollution: 0 tons (1st)
Life Expectancy: 25 years (4th)
Family Size: 1 children (2nd)
Military Service: 8 years (2nd)
Annual Income: 7 per capita (1st)
Productivity: 306 (3rd)

Top 5 Cities
1. Parthemuende (GWT) - Pop 11 (Pyramids, Colossus)
2. Aarhus (CGN*) - Pop 12
3. Webringen (GWT*) - Pop 12
4. Sevenoaks (CGN) - Pop 9
5. Colombus (CGN) - Pop 7

Miscellaneous and End Turn

Treasury: 542 Gold
Net Income: +50 GPT
Research: Invention (4 Turns)
Strong to GCA
Average to CGN
Strong to CFC
Weak to GWT <--- Is that new this turn? It was certainly average a few turns ago.
There are Numidian tribes near Tripoli
E_T noted that the Foreign Advisor now reports that GWT has Ansar Warriors

Turn saved and sent at 4:11 a.m. EST on Thursday, January 22 (0911 GMT on Thursday, January 22) to:

msdg@civfanatics.net
intersitepbem@mongoose201.com

When I posted the message that the save had been sent to the U.N., I asked them to add E_T's e-mail.

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	22-01-2004 14:27									#12
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Well, shoot. I forgot to move the NM in the core Trip requested moved. Oh well. We can do that next turn if it's worth doing.

	22-01-2004 14:38									#13
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%*&#@!

I forgot to send CFC our new source of silks after building the new city on the silk site in the south. I'll fire off another e-mail letting them know I just forgot and that we'll send it to them next turn.

	22-01-2004 14:45									#14
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quote: During the turn, Horse Incensity was renamed Knight Sir E_T

I have to refuse this honor, because this has been promiced to Donigeal for a very long time now.

E_T

	22-01-2004 14:48									#15
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Ok, just sent CFC this:

quote: CFC, Sorry guys, I just realized that I completely forgot the silks gift because it wasn't an option until after I'd founded the new city near the end of the turn. So my bad on that. I've made sure to post it in our next turn's orders thread, so hopefully SOMEONE will remember it, even if I'm not there. Sorry about this. - Consul Arnelos of Apolyton

btw... there's damn good reason why I'm being apologetic to CFC over forgetting a free gift.

I suppose I can hope that that's one more nail in the coffin of the CFC backstab possibility.

	22-01-2004 14:50									#16
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quote: Originally posted by E_T I have to refuse this honor, because this has been promiced to Donigeal for a very long time now.

You mean to tell me that while I was busy last week and then gone all weekend, we didn't name a SINGLE upgraded knight after donegeal ALREADY?

Fully agreed. It, or another knight, will be renamed Sir donegeal next turn.

	22-01-2004 15:02									#17
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btw, just fired off an e-mail to miccofl about the GWT Ansar Warriors (I figured it wouldn't hurt and it would be nice just in case). See the FA Correspondance thread.

	22-01-2004 16:54									#18
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Weren't we going to name the first knight that was built (not upgraded) after Donegeal ?

Why "Iceburg" ? There have been a few location-specific names suggested for this city in the Ministry of Lex thread!! Now we need to rename a city again !

edit: we were already 'weak' to GWT since a few turns. Check the turnthreads for this.

	23-01-2004 00:54									#19
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Well, they Renamed an newly upgraded genericly named Knight to me, so that honor should go to Donegeal. And it might be a long time, before we build any more knights, if ever. We might have MT before we get to that point, because of working on our economy.

E_T

	23-01-2004 01:35									#20
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quote: Originally posted by BigFurryMonster Why "Iceburg" ? There have been a few location-specific names suggested for this city in the Ministry of Lex thread!! Now we need to rename a city again !

You will note that the turn report clarifies that this is a TEMPORARY name until a permanent name is given based upon the method currently being decided upon via polling. The whole POINT is that this city is going to be renamed.