17-01-2004 03:38									#61
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Thessalonica stays put!
The capital at the time was Demetrias!
And my uni town is Larissa in Thessaly...


As for Corsica and Sardinia i am certain they have the objective status-there is no way we could have made so serious a mistake.
As i am currently away i must ask fairline to confirm this.

	17-01-2004 06:06									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos As for Corsica and Sardinia i am certain they have the objective status-there is no way we could have made so serious a mistake. As i am currently away i must ask fairline to confirm this.

Trust me on this one - the cities on these islands are not labelled as objective cities. That's why I was initially confused about Hannibal's objectives to win the scenario.

It's an oversight anyone can make.

Even so, I am surprised by the total polish of this scenario as an initial release.

	19-01-2004 22:59									#63
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High_Flyer is correct: Aleria on Corsica and Olbia and Caralis on Sardinia are not objective cities.

	20-01-2004 02:34									#64
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quote: Originally posted by fairline High_Flyer is correct: Aleria on Corsica and Olbia and Caralis on Sardinia are not objective cities.

It's easy enough to correct - I just went into Cheat mode and made those three cities as objective cities (bringing the total objectives from 16 to 19).

In addition I added three to the numbers needed for each level of victory.

For example: For a Decisive Victory I added 3 to the number required so that it will require 15 objectives rather than 12 for a DV.

	21-01-2004 19:59									#65
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Blast!

As i am away currently could someone post a list of all the objective cities?

	04-03-2004 02:35									#66
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Ok dudes just got back from uni and started working on this one.

Although more of a patch than a new version next release will include:

1.Fixed objective cities(thanks High flyer)
2.Extended readme
3.Advice txt
4.Propably a new title screen courtesy of Sarsstock
5.Multiplayer version
6.Minor event and gameplay tweaks. BTW i have managed to salvage an event slot. Anybody got an idea how could i utilise it?

Thing is that only No1 fix is of any importance.

	04-03-2004 03:12									#67
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Excellent stuff. Truly wonderful (this was made during your exams period???)

	04-03-2004 03:47									#68
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Thanks dude.

Exams period?I knew i'd forgotten something....

The whole thing started as a sideshow of the "Vae Victis" scenario(you know, the Roman empire one) but evolved into a time consuming project that really drew me into. I did the research last summer and worked on it for months afterwards. The civilopaedia especially proved a Golgotha(sp?). Because of my "friendly" relation with Fairline(he was my bit_ch in jail) i asked him for a few units, he got interest and joined in.

BTW any gameplay comments Timo would be truly appreciated at this junction. No matter what the "patch" will be released monday at the latest.

	27-03-2004 01:39									#69
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Ok finished the update.
Will publish it before the weekend hopefully.

There are MAJOR gameplay changes.

1.Added a supply route to Spain(i.e supply train unit are created in Iberia) and removed one from Africa.
2.The Cannae legions make their reappearance a few years after the unfortunate battle.
3. Added another minor tech tree to the Romans.
4.The sun tzu wonder has been given to the Romans.
5.Scipio and his legions now make a direct dash for Carthago Nova instead of supposedly smashing their way through from Tarraco(they never even reached Carthagena in the previous version playtests).
6.Afte Capua is taken the Romans become ultra aggresive.
6.New corrected gfx for units(lithobolos) and techs.
7.Added Advice.txt, some missing civilopaedia entries and corrected more spelling errors.
8.Created html and powerpoint files.

some other stuff too.

Last edited by Palaiologos on 27-03-2004 at 18:05

	27-03-2004 14:00									#70
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Why dind't i see this scenario?

Palailogos, as soon as you release the update, I'd like to upload it to the spanish site (if you agree, of course)

	27-03-2004 21:20									#71
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Didn't see this before either...

Two little notes... Can't you give the Balearic Isles a Latin name? I couldn't really find anything on cities of the era (only this site: http://www.magellannarfe.com/virtua...pania/baleares/), but perhaps "Insulae Baleares" will do.

Then again, I'd want Roman names for all cities, so Roma instead of Rome etc. So that's kinda just a matter of taste...

And the second note, couldn't you by any chance incorporate (the battle of) Lacus Trasimenus in there somewhere?

I converted it to ToT, by the way...

	27-03-2004 21:47									#72
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quote: Originally posted by Mercatore Uno ...I converted it to ToT, by the way...

Any chance you could post the ToT version please?

	27-03-2004 22:39									#73
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Sure... I haven't done any thorough checking, but at least it starts up correctly (the straight conversion crashed)... And the "Renaissance-bug" won't happen, because the scenario doesn't use the Invention tech.

I left out the city.txt, describe.txt, events.txt, pedia.txt, second punic war.txt, title.gif and all the documentation and sounds, because those files haven't changed (you'll have to copy them yourself).

And for anyone doing conversions themselves... I had to do some extra changes to the units.bmp (CivConverter misplaces the unit graphics), terrain1.bmp (CivConverter doesn't handle the 3 terrain graphics well, and more importantly, ToT does NOT like transparent terrain!) and labels.txt.

Attachment: hannibal tot.zip
This has been downloaded 14 time(s).

	27-03-2004 23:14									#74
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Thanks! I can feel a bit of graphic modding for ToT coming on...

	28-03-2004 09:17									#76
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Hm, can't a civ2fw version be made? i dont have civ2gold

	28-03-2004 11:37									#77
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@Mercator
Sorry man couldn't have lake trasimene in. It is quite hard to have pitched battles simulated in the flow of a civ2 game.I mean Trebia is in by having Roman forces appearing in the Po valley(the only land entrance to Italy) to engage Hannibal. Cannae is in by making Romans appear after Cannae's granary is captured.
But trasimene was an ambuss staged by Hanni to the Roman troops trailing him. There was no city "trasimene" or something to trigger an event. So i came up with the "fields" terrain tile that worsens the defence of units standing in it as they are "ambussed".

So effectively any major "ambuss" the Romans fall in could be the player's version of trasimene.

As for the Roman names fairline burst my balls for the same thing. I generally prefer the most commonly used name for the cities so as to be easily identifiable. So there is Rome, Carthage but also Carthago Nova, Emporiae etc. Needless to say that Greek names(Taras-Tarentum, Neapolis-Naples) are preffered to any others.

In any case its easy enough to change. Will rename to insulae baleares though-sounds more classy.

@varwnos

Exei ena patch sto civfanatics pou allazei to FW se civ2gold.
http://www.civfanatics.com/civ2downloads.shtml
to teleutaio teleutaio.

	28-03-2004 11:40									#78
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Crap! Insulae Baleares doesn't fit. Any other latin form that could do?

	28-03-2004 15:59									#79
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Try with Ebusus, latin name for the old Carthaginian colony today known as Ibiza

	28-03-2004 16:12									#80
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Or perhaps Ins. Baleares?

Mercator: Thanks for that conversion - it looks a lot better with 15(?)-bit terrain BTW

A question for you: the MGE method of dictating civ colour through cities.bmp doesn't seem to apply to the ToT civ colours displayed on the unit health bar. Are these hard coded, or if not how do I change them?

	28-03-2004 17:10									#81
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quote: Or perhaps Ins. Baleares?

The correct latin name is "Insulae Balearis", I think.

Extracted from "Laterculus Pelemii Silvi", a 4th Century administrative document:
"IV. Nomina Provinciarum....in Hispania VII
Prima: Tarraconensis
Secunda: Carthaginiensis
Tertia: Baetica
Quarta: Lusitania, in quia est Emerita
Quinta: Gallaecia
Sexta: Insulae Balearis
Septima: Tingitana."

	28-03-2004 19:11									#82
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quote: Originally posted by varwnos Hm, can't a civ2fw version be made? i dont have civ2gold

A bit more legal than Palaiologos' suggestion...
Angelo Scotto also made MGEConverter, which converts MGE scenarios to FW:
http://www.civfanatics.net/download...ty/mgeconve.zip

quote: Originally posted by Palaiologos Sorry man couldn't have lake trasimene in. [...] So effectively any major "ambuss" the Romans fall in could be the player's version of trasimene.

I can live with that.

quote: Crap! Insulae Baleares doesn't fit. Any other latin form that could do?

Forgot about that...

quote: Originally posted by jasev Try with Ebusus, latin name for the old Carthaginian colony today known as Ibiza

But the city is located on Mallorca, so that'd be a little odd... How about Maiorica or Balearis Maior? Both are Latin names for Mallorca, obviously... Or you could use fairline's suggestion.

Or perhaps you can move the city to Menorca and name it Mago. That city was actually named after the general Mago Barca... But it wasn't founded until 206 BC, it seems.

quote: Originally posted by fairline Mercator: Thanks for that conversion - it looks a lot better with 15(?)-bit terrain BTW

(indeed 15-bit)

quote: A question for you: the MGE method of dictating civ colour through cities.bmp doesn't seem to apply to the ToT civ colours displayed on the unit health bar. Are these hard coded, or if not how do I change them?

The coloured bars above the flag determine the civ colours (I guess you knew that). But, the shades used on the unit health bar are indeed hard-coded, well, sort of. The lighter shade is based on the bottom colour bar, but with the RGB values all halved, the darker shade has the RGB values quartered.

quote: Originally posted by jasev The correct latin name is "Insulae Balearis", I think.

I think you're right... Baleares (without the insulae) is also correct, I think.

	28-03-2004 20:03									#83
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You can dump the oatmealed civ color from the unit key and use a sprite mask instead. 'Course you'd have to bite the bullet and make sprites via SpriteGen. The utility works well , but there's a lot of file generation and copying involved. If you're interested, drop me a line.

	28-03-2004 21:09									#84
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quote: Originally posted by Mercatore Uno The coloured bars above the flag determine the civ colours (I guess you knew that). But, the shades used on the unit health bar are indeed hard-coded, well, sort of. The lighter shade is based on the bottom colour bar, but with the RGB values all halved, the darker shade has the RGB values quartered.

OK, thanks for that info Were the ToT graphics team drunk when they came up with this and other beauties (like the apalling sprites)?

quote: You can dump the oatmealed civ color from the unit key and use a sprite mask instead. 'Course you'd have to bite the bullet and make sprites via SpriteGen. The utility works well

Indeed it does work well - I've had a play with it already when I replaced the tank in EA with a newer version. The mask feature could also prove very useful with the colouring of generic units, with either civ-coloured clothes or shields perhaps.

This is a good idea Boco I just need this final touch to complete the graphics conversion of Hannibal for ToT. I've replaced the terrain with you-know-who's fantastic ToT stuff, and done a few unit gfx and resource tweaks. If I get the go ahead to officially use the terrain I'll post the conversion here.

Trouble is, there is now a newer version of MGE Hannibal with additional events and units, and I'm buggered if I can use Angelo Scotto's ToT converter now that I'm on XP. Did he ever release a version with a GUI as my PC doesn't seem to do DOS?

	28-03-2004 21:39									#85
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quote: Originally posted by fairline Were the ToT graphics team drunk when they came up with this and other beauties (like the apalling sprites)?

Maybe they had monitor problems.

quote: Trouble is, there is now a newer version of MGE Hannibal with additional events and units, and I'm buggered if I can use Angelo Scotto's ToT converter now that I'm on XP. Did he ever release a version with a GUI as my PC doesn't seem to do DOS?

Doesn't it work at all, or haven't you figured out how to give it command-line arguments? In case of the latter, you could try the Run... item on the Start menu (typing the full filepath to civconverter followed by the full path to the scenario file).

Or simply drag 'n' drop the scenario file onto CivConveter. That somehow doesn't want to work on my computer though (Win98), which might be a problem with long filenames/directories.

	28-03-2004 22:08									#86
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I recently had Dictator3 converted to ToT format, with the help of a poster here.

No problems as yet with the results!

	29-03-2004 09:08									#87
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i tried using the mge to fw converter but i got a "lost module error" in line 3 or something like that...

	29-03-2004 16:21									#88
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That looks like a text file error (probably rules.txt). Happy debugging!

You can temporarily move/rename the rules.txt to see if you still get the error. If you don't, the rules are the problem, otherwise you'll have to repeat this process for the other files... By this method you can find out which files are causing the problems.

I think those error numbers mean something. They refer to which @ seciton in the rules.txt it is, the line number in that section and the position of the value in that line, I believe.

	29-03-2004 20:38									#89
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You know what?
To hell with those Latin names.I am sticking to good old fashioned King's English.

	29-03-2004 22:21									#90
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Why? Mix and match English and Latin looks half-baked. And while your at it, we should have Roma and Carthago

@Varwnos: some MGE scenarios can't be converted to FW as their events file sizes are too big. Try running it without the events to see if this is the case (just remove from the folder) after putting the scenario file through the converter. If it works, try starting with the events file, removing 1 or 2 events at a time to see if it'll run. If so, you'll have to decide which events you can live without!