07-01-2004 19:52									#1
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Mark, you closed that thread prematurely. A diplogame is different from the diplomacy game mentioned in the first thread. Ming and Rah can attest to that. I'll argue also that diplogames are more active than diplomacy games anyhow.

Diplogames:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=101988

Diplomacy Games:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...&threadid=73762

But as for Ming's concern about one forum having more than one civ group, some of those democracy game forums have like 6 civgroups. Storys and Diplomacy has 2. It wouldn't hurt to add one for us. We don't want our own forum, just a civ group, so we can help identify fellow diplogamers. Just like the other players have for their games.

	07-01-2004 20:24									#2
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Mark... PLEASE hear him out.

First... The Diplomacy civ group you pointed out is in regards to the actual game of Diplomacy. Ozzy is talking about something totally different. He is talking about a very specific and very formal version of playing Civ II MP. While there already is a Civ II MP civ group (which is almost as large as the Civ III MP group ) there is a subset of that group that plays what they have named "Diplogames". They are played with very specific rules that have been built up over the years and have been well documented thanks to the continuing and hard efforts of Ozzy and other Diplogame players. While we all actually "play" Civ II MP, their version is FAR different than what the rest of us are playing. And while many people play Civ II MP both ways, there is a proud and strong community of Civ II Diplogame players. There group is as active and as dedicated as many of the other groups that have civ groups.

I ask you to reconsider and to add a "Diplogame" civ group to the Civ II MP Forum... They are an important part of the Civ II community.

And Seocnd... yeah, it was pointed out that two civ groups in a forum isn't a problem ( I didn't know that) so ignore any earlier comments I made

Last edited by Ming on 07-01-2004 at 20:58

	07-01-2004 21:22									#3
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Thanks for the support Ming.

	07-01-2004 21:59									#4
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NP Ozzy... I can understand the confusion since there already is a Diplo Civ Group I just want to make sure that Mark understands this is something totally different, so that he can make a more informed decision

	08-01-2004 00:52									#5
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Good idea

Civ2 diplogames are completely different from your usual MP games, comparing them is like comparing civ1 to civ2....

And as 'some' demogames seem to have more civgroups then players Ozzy's request sounds fair.

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	08-01-2004 05:04									#6
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good call ozzy. Many fail to realise just how different the version of civ we play is.

I throw my full support behind this call for our own Group .

	08-01-2004 05:07									#7
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What exactly is a DiploGame?

	08-01-2004 06:09									#8
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb What exactly is a DiploGame?

Any description I give wouldn't do it justice... Check out this thread:
http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=101988

(it's the same link Ozzy provided, but you obviously weren't aware of what it was)

It is a detailed FAQ and recap of Diplogames... Thanks to Ozzy for putting it together and helping keep Diplogames going.

	08-01-2004 07:52									#9
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Its right in my sig line too.

	08-01-2004 08:17									#10
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Yikes! I thought it could be summed up in a short paragraph and Ming gives me a 38 page Encyclopedia!

Thanks though.

	08-01-2004 08:35									#11
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Heh, thats my fault. I'm thourogh. Here is this though, from the DiploFAQ:

2.1 What are diplogames?
Diplogames are champagne and opera to duel game's beer and tractor pull.

Looking through the threads you'll find countless definitions of diplogames. In summary a diplogames comes down to this: A long term Civ2MP game with 5-7 players who try to resolve problems by diplomacy. Managing your civ is not enough. You try to play a 'leader' thus roleplaying and storytelling in a diplogame is as important as gaming skills. An eloquent speaker who uses tact can get the same work done as the no.1 in the game, if he speaks up.

The Diplomacy takes place in the form of negotiations, treaties, special alliances, pacts and in the end...WAR. To keep track of historic events players will be required to post their view on events on a public forum. Everyone is free how to write his own posts it can be funny, formal, boring...anything is allowed as long as your message gets through. Just read through the diplogame threads located at the end of this FAQ for examples.

quote: Originally posted by GNGSpam Diplogames should center around Politics. While most games turn into lessons in game mechanics, with super growth strategy formulas, and trade bug manipulation equations, the Diplogame relies on human interaction, through diplomacy, politics, even out and out propaganda.

	08-01-2004 09:24									#12
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb What exactly is a DiploGame?

A DiploGame is a 1x1x Civ2MP game, usually involving at least 5 civs, where the actions of the civ rulers is dictated by real world cause and effect. The civ rulers are personalities, separate from our real personas, and make decisions based on their interaction with the other rulers and the politics between the various civs or nations.

Over time the personalities of the civ rulers change as make believe stories evolve both within ones civ and between the civs. The stories are posted in the threads and can involve political manipulation or mis-information right the way through to rich cultural stories that go beyond the actual game play.

Special rules are discussed before each game and often modpaks are developed to reflect the rules and settings. Sometimes the Earth map is used, or parts of the world like Europe only, and sometimes random maps or custom maps.

	08-01-2004 13:15									#13
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1) never post a 1-sentence request. explaining yourself and providing links help

2) is there an estimate on the amount of people involved in diplogames?

3) you dont happen to have an icon ready, do you?

	08-01-2004 18:51									#14
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Yes, having an icon already done so Mark doesn't have to make one is always a good idea.

	08-01-2004 19:45									#15
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Looking good... Now we just need the diplogamers to agree on an icon.

Shouldn't take more than a few months...

	08-01-2004 22:45									#16
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They will probably need three or more threads to discuss it, design it, and then vote on it, and then create an alternative universe where world leaders can discuss the impact it will have on the game

	08-01-2004 23:21									#18
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http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...threadid=105967

	08-01-2004 23:27									#19
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quote: 1) never post a 1-sentence request. explaining yourself and providing links help

Sorry.

quote: 2) is there an estimate on the amount of people involved in diplogames?

According to Raz' last tally, 88 people have played in a diplogame. We have 2 running right now, with a third on the way. Each game involved 5-7 players.

quote: 3) you dont happen to have an icon ready, do you?

Working on it.

	09-01-2004 00:07									#20
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To make this work... there are specific specs the Icon needs to meet. I remember reading what they were, but can't remember what exactly they are. If anybody remembers them, please post them to make Ozzy's job eaiser.

	09-01-2004 06:04									#21
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Yep, all the icons I made were pretty simple and the same parameters. Are DiploGamers only Civ2? It would seem you could do this with Civ3 also.

	09-01-2004 06:54									#22
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Well according to Ozzy's "Civ 2 MP" icon, they need to be 15 pixels wide and 19 pixels high. Its a start, anyway.

	09-01-2004 10:31									#23
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Yep, all the icons I made were pretty simple and the same parameters. Are DiploGamers only Civ2? It would seem you could do this with Civ3 also.

You could definately do this with Civ3. Or MOO, or SMAC, or CTP, or anything else out there. Unfortunately though its been limited to Civ2 so far. There has been some talk about doing it in Civ3, but most of the Civ2-MPers were really disatisfied with Civ3-MP, so who knows. I'd still like to give it a shot (if and when I ever get Civ3-MP).

If you are interested in starting up a game, I'd strongly recommend it. It's lots of fun to try, and engrossing. Get some friends into it too.

	09-01-2004 10:37									#24
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Well this hasn't yet been voted on by the whole community, but... how does this look?

Attachment: d5.jpg
This has been downloaded 103 time(s).

	09-01-2004 16:07									#25
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It looks a little (how should I put this?) personal. Maybe you should go with something a little less gothic....
How's about a Civ 2 dip figure? Could you shrink it that small and still tell what it was?

	09-01-2004 16:17									#26
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I like it. Stylish.

	09-01-2004 18:28									#27
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quote: Originally posted by OzzyKP If you are interested in starting up a game, I'd strongly recommend it. It's lots of fun to try, and engrossing. Get some friends into it too.

Yes, a diplo game by yourself may leave you unsatisfied.

	09-01-2004 18:41									#28
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I think some people wouldn't have a problem with it though

	09-01-2004 18:50									#29
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Most of them live in the OT, arguing with their DLs, at the technological pinnacle of schizophrenia.

	09-01-2004 20:40									#30
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york It looks a little (how should I put this?) personal. Maybe you should go with something a little less gothic.... How's about a Civ 2 dip figure? Could you shrink it that small and still tell what it was?

Eh, doesn't look all that great.

And what do you mean by personal?