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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:33
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So far no pirate has openly shown an interest in joining the Consciousness after their faction would be defeated. And IMHO it's important to know for our position in the defeated-members debate how many pirates would be interest, if any would want to join us at all that is (which can be heavily doubted  ).
So how about we send a PM to the active pirates somewhere in the future - perhaps after we have captured some more bases next year and they've seen the full extent of our military power - and ask about their intentions?
Something like this?
Hi XXX,
Lately there have been discussions regarding what should happen with members of a defeated faction. More specifically we of the Consciousness started that discussion as we felt there is a chance we might defeat PEACE.
No pirate has yet openly expressed any interest though in joining another specific faction, which is of course only normal. However we of the Consciousness were wondering if there was any interest in PEACE for joining the Consciousness if we would be victorious. Are you, and perhaps other pirates, open to that possibility? You would be welcomed with open arms as an equal member. 
Personally I feel joining us if you would be defeated would be the best option for you, because you'll join a faction that would resemble PEACE very much, with the only big and very unfortunate difference our lack to harvest aquatic minerals. However on the other side you'd have the same bases and technologies as PEACE had , and to an extent even the same allies and rivals. Since we have the Maritime Control Centre, we would also attempt to be the world's finest naval power. That way you could continue to sail ships where as all the other factions are land centric.
If the majority of PEACE would join the Consciousness, you would also be able to continue playing with the same group you have gotten to know over the past few months. In short, it would provide the greatest continuity for you. That continuity would not exist if you all splintered up and went to completely different factions such as the Hive or Drones, in which you would be a lonely stranger in the midst of a group already knowing each other and exchanging tactics since months. 
Anyway, I hope you will consider our offer. I really believe it is the best option for both of us.
Friendly greetings,
Maniac
Last edited by Maniac on 11-01-2004 at 16:34
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Drogue
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Omnipresent conscience
Oct 2002
time: 05:33
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I would wait. If we send that, it's saying that we've won. We haven't yet. A turn takes almost a week, and so it will likely be a couple of months before we beat them totally. Wait until we're a lot closer before sending. You know how Herc reacted to us assuming we'd won before, so I'd hold your horses at the moment.
Last edited by Drogue on 21-01-2004 at 18:26
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:33
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Hmm, IMHO we shouldn't talk immediately about surrendering units and bases if we don't even know if they are überhaupt interested in joining us. How about we wait until a few pirates have replied to our first PM?
Anyway, it's about time we send a message, as our next turn is approaching, the year we agreed to send the message. Unless you or anyone else come up with concrete proposals for changes, can I send the PM tonight or tomorrow to Hercules, Flubber, foolish_icarus, FlameFlash, Makahlua, Hobbes, Atlantian and Gert?
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Drogue
I thought about that. Seems like a good idea, but they could decide to self-destruct their base, with no defender, saying we could capture it. |
Then we just say we had no intention to capture the base. And since they suicided, they have no right IMHO to claim they're still alive to join another faction.
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Did you mention the surrender? Or did you send the PM as above? |
The PM as above, as no concrete message addendi were proposed.
PMs I got from Hobbes, icarus and Gert:
Hobbes:
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I'm not terribly interested in the ACDG, BUT wouldn't join a conquoring faction anyway- seems odd that you'd expect a defeated player to whole-heardedly participate in furthering the ambitions of the agressors.
Hobbes
[quote]Hi H0bbes,
May I ask, do you say no simply because you are not really interested anymore in the ACDG, or is it because you hate our guts?
Friendly greetings,
Maniac |
foolish_icarus:
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The captains will discuss this. I'd thank you for extending the offer if, well, you weren't conquering us  . More later. |
Gert:
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Hello Maniac,
When (and if) the time of a defeat comes, I will give your offer serious consideration. It is an interesting possibility, but I feel now is not the time to discuss it.
We will fight ye until ye wreck the last of our ships. Our freedom is yet a cause worth fighting for! And besides, the pay is good
Gert |
So it seems they wouldn't consider to surrender and transfer eg their crawlers over to our control. We'll probably have to eliminate all their useful units (crawlers, formers, sea formers...) in other words.
More comments tomorrow afternoon hopefully. I'm terribly busy right now.
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Maniac
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Gent, Belgium
Jul 1999
time: 06:33
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quote:
Originally posted by Drogue
You didn't offer a surrender then? |
No, but I could reply to foolish_icarus like this:
Hi foolish_icarus,
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The captains will discuss this. I'd thank you for extending the offer if, well, you weren't conquering us . More later. |
We would like to stop conquering you. Wouldn't it be better if, instead of fighting until we have destroyed every last unit and reduced PEACE to one base, if we joined forces now and PEACE transmitted all remaining units to the Consciousness, which we hope you will accept as your new home? That way we gain in strength and might still be able to form a fist against the Hive and Drones, who are currently running away with the game.
Friendly greetings,
Maniac
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mart7x5
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Maybe the offer should be rather like unification offer, not surrender - they transfer their units, all PEACE territory gets annexed to CyCon. This way we get large power increase, and they do not feel like loosing much - just joining another faction. Their honor would be saved. If ofcourse current rules allow this.
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mart7x5
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They might assimilate if we both work on it..... If it is not worth of trying - then defeating them seems the only option. The risk is that if the current war gets stopped in order to give them time for thinking on unification then it may make further war more difficult when they reject the unification. Anyway, these are just some possibilities, and i only posted an idea, i have just joined the faction so i am not aware of all diplomacy and feelings among factions
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mart7x5
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Actualy what Maniac proposed above is unification offer, am i right?
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