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Tis I is offline Tis I
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Chemical Weapons found in Iraq Got spare money?

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/middle_east/3386357.stm

Buried for at least 10 years though.

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Yeah But it still deadly. It also may of been buried by Saddam to hid them from the Weapon Inspecters.

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Mustard gas? Maybe the British hid it during WW1.

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Found by the Danes, and look like they've been there for 10 years. At least it will be hard for people to say the US planted them.

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Canada has loads of mustard gas leftover from WW1, I hope we don't get bombed next.

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Don't get your hopes up too quick. We've had reports from soldiers in the field before. And they later were shown directly false or were shown to be ambiguous/unconvincing.

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Canada has loads of mustard gas leftover from WW1, I hope we don't get bombed next.


Is that Stalin in your avatar? How cute. silly little kid.

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Is that Stalin in your avatar?


It's Mario.

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It's Mario.


Ok...I don't know vidoe games that well. Wait. Are you pulling my leg?

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Not really war-worthy stuff.

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WOW, the discovery of a lifetime! A whole 36 mortar rounds circa the Iran-Iraq war! With those, and some left-over Japense munitons dug up in China we can rule the world!!!!

I do like how it si reported though-if it is true, then BUsh can claim chemical weapons were found..its not like anyone will quibble about all the details that make it a rather uninteresting find.

On another note- anyone know if there are lots of old munitions on the border areas of Iraq and Iran like there are in some other old battlefields? How long those will take to clean up?

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WOW, the discovery of a lifetime! A whole 36 mortar rounds circa the Iran-Iraq war! With those, and some left-over Japense munitons dug up in China we can rule the world!!!!

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I checked other sites and don't see it being reported yet. Maybe only Poly is covering it heavily.

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http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tm..._chemicals_dc_5

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Not exactly what I would consider war worthy either, but it does maybe show that a lot more COULD have been buried after GW I to hide it from inspectors. Some could stay buried for a long time.

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It's not like this is the equivalent of a nuke buried in the sands.

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agreed. they are not a nuke. are in sand, though.

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Just one observation, burying chemical weapons is not a conventional means of storage. These weapons must have been buried to avoid UN weapons inspectors.

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Not exactly what I would consider war worthy either, but it does maybe show that a lot more COULD have been buried after GW I to hide it from inspectors. Some could stay buried for a long time.


Yeha, like thos Japanese chemical rounds from WW2 that some Chinese laborers dug up- so certainly they could stay burried a long time- and be forgotten and useless as weapons of war.

Which brings u a little point- why don;t terrorist simply go digging? Who knows what old munitions lie around the world from our wonderfully peaceful past.

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Hence it proves Iraq had a programme of WMD prior to the invasion and was a direct threat to the US.

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Just one observation, burying chemical weapons is not a conventional means of storage. These weapons must have been buried to avoid UN weapons inspectors.


Burrying Chemical wepaons though is a method of quick and unprofessional disposal.....

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Ok. I agree that they are not a nuke. Better?

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Burrying Chemical wepaons though is a method of quick and unprofessional disposal.....


Is that the GePap universe? Seems a little strained...

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Ok. I agree that they are not a nuke. Better?


Yes, I think we can all agree on that.

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Burrying Chemical wepaons though is a method of quick and unprofessional disposal.....




Also a normal method of long term storage. Please.

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Burrying Chemical wepaons though is a method of quick and unprofessional disposal.....


That'd be my guess.

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Let us also remember tha Saddam would not provide any evidence of this "quick and unprofessional" destruction. My guess is that this is the first of many caches to be found.

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Burried in SAND eh? So THAT'S what threw the UN weapons inspectors! Who would have thought of THAT?

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Also a normal method of long term storage. Please.

Actually that's extremely questionable. I'll have to check what's the deal with mustard gas, but for many chemical munitions, they are no longer usable after they have been mixed inside shells for too long. I'm curious if there is even enough intact chemical agents for the weapons to even be that dangerous. It certainly sounds highly questionable if they at all usable. If they have been burried over 10 years, there is a legitimate question of whether Saddam even knew about them or if they had been burried and forgotten. In the second case, the discovery is rather meaningless.

 
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