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Shall our new Captiol be named N.Y.E. D.C.
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Yea 12 37.50%
Nay 20 62.50%
Total: 32 voters 100%
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Trip is offline Trip
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Just for the sake of my curiosity... does the name of Washington, D.C. (the current American capital) have anything to do with the name of the first president of the United States, George Washington?

Yes, it was named after him.

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Ummm... thought so.

Nice parallel, is it not?

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Just for the sake of my curiosity... does the name of Washington, D.C. (the current American capital) have anything to do with the name of the first president of the United States, George Washington?


Yes, Congress decided to name the new capital city after him. He had been placed in charge of doing the logisitcal preparations for making the "Potomac River site" the new capital (a name had not yet been selected) when he was President. After his departure, Congress decided to name the city in his honor.

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First of all, I think we should have debated this a bit more before coming up with a vote, BF had a good idea in starting this poll but I feel we should consider other possibilites before finally voting on the two or three options which most people seem to like, and if "N.Y.E.D.C." wins, then we keep it.

That said, I fully agree that the capitol's name should be representative of our team as a whole. That means from both the member standpoint as well as the national one. Does nye deserve a city? Hell yes, and a very big one too. But let's be creative for a second and think of more inclusive names for this, the one city, the only city, which shall bind our fate... err, nevermind.

@ Arnelos

Yes, many cities have been named after real life cities, CGN of course is the best example but they have been pretty much handed out much in the same manner as we have assigned some of our cities to some posters. Naming our capital "D.C" is obviously pointing to one particular nationality specifically which is no better than naming that city after someone.

And also, given that nye is Canadian, I find it rather odd that "D.C" be added to a city named in his honor.

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sssshhh, MZ... you did not get it... the D.C. stood for Decent Canadian.

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In a word, yes, it was. I found more on it here:

http://travel.howstuffworks.com/washington-dc1.htm

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nye is Canadian


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D.C. actually refers to Christopher Columbus MZ, you could possbilby be a decendant of his.

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Whoops... Washingtonople would be... well, bad.

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I'm against it, but not strongly so.

I personally feel that we should make a strong effort to find a name that no one on the team disagrees with. Barring that being possible, we should at least try to make as many people as possible happy.

I am definately ok with naming a city after NYE though, I just don't want to see it create devisions no matter which city it is.

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You know, a number of cities in several DG's have been named after RL cities. That really isn't a problem, from what I've seen. Hell, people have a penchant for naming DG cities after their hometowns, and Washington, D.C. is my home town.



How about Apopka, My Home town....

E_T

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I really appreciate the thought of naming what is to be our First city after myself and Dark Cloud. At the same time, I understand the POV of those who feel the name should represent all of us, and I agree with that sentiment.

The name of this city should either be something very grand, without being too immodest, or something very simple that can represent all of us and where we come from. I am having a hard time coming up with something suitably glorious yet unassuming. The best I can think of is the simple...

Settler II

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Voting yes. Honor thy man. :P

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Settler II, I like it

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Settler II

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Sorry. I don't like Settter II. But, I dont have to like it, only the majority of the team. besides, I think Settler II is annoying...in and out, in and out....

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D.C. actually refers to Christopher Columbus MZ, you could possbilby be a decendant of his.


last time I checked, I had no italian blood in me

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last time I checked, I had no italian blood in me


Didn't the Italians try that themselves with extremely poor success in the 1930s?

On a more lighthearted (though informational note), everyone alive on the planet today is likely decended from figures like Julius Caesar, Hamurabi, Aristotle, and/or any number of ancient kings, emperors, thinkers, generals, and artists around the world because the survival of their lineage following their deaths, the sheer number of generations since their lifetimes, and the sheer amount of inter-mingling of genetic material between populations across the planet over time makes it almost impossible that someone WOULDN'T be related to such figures if their bloodline survived at all. Obviously people with the majority of their bloodlines leading back to the same region of the planet as such a figure would likely have MORE ancestors related to the figure, but every single person the planet has at least a few.

I honestly don't remember from when I studied it how recently (historically) it is that the probabilities change such that you have a low rather than high liklihood of being related to any figure born at a certain date in history. Off the top of my head (trying to remember that stuff), I'd probably guess about 1000 A.D.

Afterall, over enough generations, it only takes a few children conceived by mixed parents for nearly an entire population to eventually share at least one bloodline to a family from a completely different part of the planet despite the loss of any outward appearance that there ever were children born to parents of vastly different lineage. The fact that such things have been left delibrately undocumented or obscured in records throughout history makes it all but impossible to determine by tracking written records.

Most people certainly share the BULK of their bloodlines with one (or a few) identifiable ethnic group(s), but everyone almost certainly has a few stray bloodlines here, a few there, a few they probably don't even know about that tie to completely different groups they hardly bear any resemblance to and would never suspect they are decsended from as closely as they are.

So, in reality, who knows.

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hmm... maybe that's why I make such good spaghetti...

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I have mixed feelings about Settler II. That said, it works better than anything other than New Apolyton that's already been suggested. Keep the ideas coming!

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I still like N.Y.E. D.C.

But, what about Zion? This is a computer game after all.

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I still like N.Y.E. D.C.

But, what about Zion? This is a computer game after all.


And you thought my idea of naming it after markos was bad! Hahaha

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Didn't the Italians try that themselves with extremely poor success in the 1930s?

On a more lighthearted (though informational note), everyone alive on the planet today is likely decended from figures like Julius Caesar, Hamurabi, Aristotle, and/or any number of ancient kings, emperors, thinkers, generals, and artists around the world because the survival of their lineage following their deaths, the sheer number of generations since their lifetimes, and the sheer amount of inter-mingling of genetic material between populations across the planet over time makes it almost impossible that someone WOULDN'T be related to such figures if their bloodline survived at all. Obviously people with the majority of their bloodlines leading back to the same region of the planet as such a figure would likely have MORE ancestors related to the figure, but every single person the planet has at least a few.

I honestly don't remember from when I studied it how recently (historically) it is that the probabilities change such that you have a low rather than high liklihood of being related to any figure born at a certain date in history. Off the top of my head (trying to remember that stuff), I'd probably guess about 1000 A.D.

Afterall, over enough generations, it only takes a few children conceived by mixed parents for nearly an entire population to eventually share at least one bloodline to a family from a completely different part of the planet despite the loss of any outward appearance that there ever were children born to parents of vastly different lineage. The fact that such things have been left delibrately undocumented or obscured in records throughout history makes it all but impossible to determine by tracking written records.

Most people certainly share the BULK of their bloodlines with one (or a few) identifiable ethnic group(s), but everyone almost certainly has a few stray bloodlines here, a few there, a few they probably don't even know about that tie to completely different groups they hardly bear any resemblance to and would never suspect they are decsended from as closely as they are.

So, in reality, who knows.


You do know that it only about 100 generations since Christ, yes? [Yes yes, that assumes 20 years for a generation. Make it babies at 15 and it is only 130 generations.]

Not a very large number is it? I've been staggered ever since I realised that.

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I don't like Settler II...

let's see, some stupid ideas:

Shangri-La
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err... ran out of ideas

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100 generations is a long time! 100 is not a large number in certain instances but that depends on what you attach it to. Compare 100 marbles to 100 galaxies.

aatw: Besides allowing us this forum, owning this site and making a profit (most likely) from it, what contributions has Markos made to our team? Did Jerry Buss win 3 Championships in a row for the Bulls? No, it was MJ and Co. Jerry just paid for it, but also reaped the benefits for it. It was not a selfless act.

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aatw: Besides allowing us this forum, owning this site and making a profit (most likely) from it, what contributions has Markos made to our team? Did Jerry Buss win 3 Championships in a row for the Bulls? No, it was MJ and Co. Jerry just paid for it, but also reaped the benefits for it. It was not a selfless act.



I didn't realize MJ played for the lakers.

Do you actually think Markos is making money off this site? I can't fathom that.

Whatever, I leave you to your opinion. However, there would be no Apolyton team without Markos. He came first. I think its less political to name it after him than a current member. Now, if NYE had an unfortunate accident.....

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We ALREADY named something after Markos: our leader in-game (open the save to see).

To honor the same person twice to me is a bit too much especially since this site is CO-administered.

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I think that would be awesome

I might like Trantor even more as the capital name.

That said, I'm probably pretty lonely on that and it's not consistent with our theme for this game, so probably not.

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I didn't realize MJ played for the lakers.



I got the names mixed up, I meant Jerry Reinsdorf. I was going to use a Laker's analogy, but then I realised that I hated the Lakers.

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If we were going to use a name from a fantasy realm (Coruscant, etc), then I'd push for Osgiliath (though it would work better then if the FP city was Annuminas). But I don't think that's what we want to do.

This would be easier if we had some sort of definite theme to our city names. Naming Gathering Storm cities in the PTWDG was rather easy, because all we had to do was come up with weather-related names (Hurricane, Tempest, Whirlwind, Sandstorm, etc).

Like NYE, I'm having trouble coming up with a name that is both simple and grand.

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