31-01-2004 03:18									#31
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

Right... that works... when you include the tileimps freight values, the valuations make sense.

	20-04-2004 18:06									#32
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

quote: The Big Mc Slave trading has long time been a dream of many people (to represent real world)

Looks like the dev team was thinking along these lines too:

code:

enum ROUTE_TYPE {
	ROUTE_TYPE_RESOURCE,
	ROUTE_TYPE_FOOD,
	ROUTE_TYPE_GOLD,
	ROUTE_TYPE_SLAVE, 
};

	20-04-2004 18:34									#33
	Increase Your PM Length

Well were one with slave trading again I would like to see a new screen were you can move slaves and people around may bring an element of realism to the game.

We could also allow for evacuation of complete cities something which must other civ games do by the movement of settlers.

quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs There's a lot of unimplemented stuff in the source.

we may need a new thread then unimplemented ideas by activision.

	20-04-2004 18:43									#34
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

quote: we may need a new thread then unimplemented ideas by activision.

Add landmines and sea mines, as well units that defuse them to that list.

	20-04-2004 19:06									#35
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs code: enum ROUTE_TYPE { ROUTE_TYPE_RESOURCE, ROUTE_TYPE_FOOD, ROUTE_TYPE_GOLD, ROUTE_TYPE_SLAVE, }; There's a lot of unimplemented stuff in the source.

More than the slave thing, it looks like you can trade food, gold, resources etc. Something that was discussed before.

	20-04-2004 19:13									#36
	Inflate your Upload Space

Yeah, although for trade of food and gold, it would probably need some AI adaptation to prevent human exploiting. And then, we can actually get to implement the civ-3 style strategic resources someday.

	20-04-2004 19:30									#37
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by Solver And then, we can actually get to implement the civ-3 style strategic resources someday.

at least the flags some people don't like the idea

	20-04-2004 19:38									#38
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

I think everyone likes the general idea behind the strategic resources, it's just that the model can be ehanced and the implementation can be made better compared to Civ 3.

	20-04-2004 20:10									#39
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Were in to the old debate again possible technological evolution against are own technological evolution .

	20-04-2004 20:21									#40
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Hmmm, my brain clicks and clicks, but makes no sense of what you just said .

	20-04-2004 20:52									#41
	Support Apolyton

You know the one.

eg without oil we would have found something else to power are car.

	20-04-2004 20:53									#42
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

Ahh that . Well, but implementing that in CtP would be crazy .

	20-04-2004 21:09									#43
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

yes which is why there should be an option to turn strategic goods off.

	20-04-2004 21:19									#44
	Inflate your Upload Space

With SLIC and all the text files, we can always create options. But the idea of having oil to have tanks is more fun than the idea that your people would have created something else anyway .

	20-04-2004 21:41									#45
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

solver just remember that the person who invented the parachute was Leonardo who did it long before the silk to make it more efficient was found.

	20-04-2004 21:56									#46
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization 2

I know, he invented a ton of things, copters and tanks too .

	21-04-2004 00:18									#47
	Full PM-box? Change here!

I like the strategic goods idea. But BigMc because you dont want it implemented shouldnt stop you from wanting to develop new options. A lot might be learned by developing it that could go into other projects.

but lets just leave the strategic goods debate about having it aside. Solver, did you suggest the strategic goods could be added to the list you inclosed or that you think it could be implemented through what you already see there?

	21-04-2004 00:31									#48
	Support Apolyton

Nope, there's no way clearly to implement strategic resources yet so far - the enumeration of trade route types is just that, without any apparent code to make them work in their own way.

	21-04-2004 00:54									#49
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Well, I guess that means I still have time to learn C

As a side though, If strategic resources gets set up like Civ3. Meaning that the goods can be traded by diplomacy not just by the Ctp2 caravan system. It should still build a route from capitol to capitol similar to the old system.

	21-04-2004 00:56									#50
	Get a bigger avatar today!

Oh, we have already had a pretty comprehensive discussion on implementing strategic resources, where a lot of possible schemes and systems were suggested!

	21-04-2004 02:51									#51
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization III: Complete

I've implemented Goodmod's effects into CityData.cpp so that a city will include any food/production/gold bonuses from goods in it's radius when it collects resources.

Martin, I notice that the data in the Goods.txt I'm using is identical for all goods:

code:

   Gold 1
   Food 10
   Production 10

	22-04-2004 04:38									#53
	Got spare money?

quote: Originally posted by The Big Mc yes which is why there should be an option to turn strategic goods off.

Definitely yes, implement it if you want but please make this optional, if there is a "feature" from Civ3 I don't want to see in a CtP2 game this is this one.




Well, actually there are dozens I would not like to see in a CtP2 game

	17-05-2004 03:29									#54
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

As this thread is centered around trade, I am repeating here what I have already posted in the Playtest thread :

I think that a civ (along with the human player) should be offered the opportunity to refuse the creation of a Trade Route (though it could have an effect on your reputation, of course). But why would you accept to open a trade route with a angry nation near your national borders? On the contrary, nations you have good relations with would accept a trade route more easily, this would give another dimension to the diplomatic part of the game.

	19-05-2004 18:03									#55
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

quote: Originally posted by Peter Triggs I've implemented Goodmod's effects into CityData.cpp so that a city will include any food/production/gold bonuses from goods in it's radius when it collects resources. Martin, I notice that the data in the Goods.txt I'm using is identical for all goods: code: Gold 1 Food 10 Production 10 Do you want to put in data like GoodMod or shall I do it?

Obviously I missed here something. The data in these fields are all the same, because they hadn't any effect, I just added these fields, I think only the Gold field had an effect, but I think that was one that made me to leave it at 1. I hold off to make the change, because of that we talked earlier in this thread. However I came to the conclusion that if we hold off to do changes to do them later but better and better planed, we will never do them. Therefore I suggest that you post what you have espeacily about the AI, so that we can test the code and do the necessary debugging. For the data here in the good fields you can fill them of course, you should find the according data in GM1_tileimp.txt or any other tileimp.txt derived from that file.

-Martin

	19-05-2004 19:58									#56
	Support Apolyton, buy Galactic Civilizations: Deluxe Edition

Ripped from the Playtest thread:

quote: As far as I am concerned I am always playing with the Updater2 so I need Gold to pay the updates... and I need much Gold.

I suggested commerce from trade routes and well commerce would obviously still generate gold, just a smaller effect depending on your science tax.

I saw an idea in civ general about cities with trade providing growth. I cant find it but the arguement was basically that excess food doesnt always lead to growth, (mainly in modern cities) and a lot of old cities grew because of big trade routes and all they brung with it.

	23-05-2004 19:39									#57
	Support Apolyton

straying to the side for a minuet but i think

quote: we may need a new thread then unimplemented ideas by activision

I think this a VERY good idea, but i dont feel I am the one to start it (so i havent) but someone with a more in depth knowledge should

now back on point :P

	24-05-2004 03:26									#58
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

smiffgig

Start it.

There is no reward for starting a threads and if we stand back for some one else to start it, it will take forever.

	27-06-2004 03:10									#59
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

have all of the issues in this thread been addressed in the trade/caravan thread?

	27-06-2004 04:11									#60
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

No, I do not think so. Plus people hijacked the caravan thread; it was supposed to be about the number of caravans needed for a trade route.