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All the Northern Hemisphere's posters are Aussie-Propaganda proof.


I now know where you were disappearing to over the last year or so. You were helping out in the Accounts Department at Parmalat!

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All the Northern Hemisphere's posters are Aussie-Propaganda proof.

flipside seems to fall for the dark side every now and then.

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Well, yes, there is that, but I took it as understood.


But then I am ever the antithesis of your subtlety.

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Are there any well known Leicester accents around? I mean, anyone I'm likely to have heard open his or her mouth?


Strangely enough Jonno has a fairly representative one – most of his formative years being spent in Market Harborough. Gary Lineker? Engelbert Humperdink? Dean Richards speaks.

But I guess the only one you may have heard directly outside rugger might be if you ever got the series ‘Heartbeat’ exported over there? Bill ‘Greengrass’ Maynard is as Leicestershire as it gets.

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I thought Mehrtens had signed on somewhere up there.


He has been linked with a move to France but I can’t recall if anything was actually signed. I do know there were parties interested in getting him to return to his native RSA as well – but frankly the way they cannot hold their own players seems to give the lie to that possibility. Bob Skinstad joined Gwent Dragons last weekend.

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Yep. He's served wonderfully. Time for him - and the Wallaby selectors - to move on.


My only regret is the club he has apparently chosen – it’s a waste of his talent.

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Some chappie spotted him and mistook him for a 420,000,000 year old fossil. Understandably.




Read his autobiography. I suspect you’ll gain a new perspective on the lad. You’ll also hear how he had considered taking his side off the pitch in THAT infamous game against Krige’s freestyle boxing team. He and Corne will never be friends I suspect. Still one won a world cup and the other will end up in a pension earning role in Wales no doubt.

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I now know where you were disappearing to over the last year or so. You were helping out in the Accounts Department at Parmalat!


I suspect he was trying to help Alan Bond rehabilitate into big business instead.

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flipside seems to fall for the dark side every now and then.


He can discuss cooking intelligently! Leave him alone!

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Strangely enough Jonno has a fairly representative one – most of his formative years being spent in Market Harborough.


Mmmm. Pity I never paid a moment's attention to anything he ever said.

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Gary Lineker?


Ditto. S***** player, after all.

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Engelbert Humperdink?


If I were you, I'd move to the next county.

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Dean Richards speaks.


Sorry, I'm too busy p*ssing myself laughing at what he's saying these days to listen to his accent.

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But I guess the only one you may have heard directly outside rugger might be if you ever got the series ‘Heartbeat’ exported over there? Bill ‘Greengrass’ Maynard is as Leicestershire as it gets.


Yes, we had "Heartbeat" for years. Mmmm. Must check out Bill Maynard. Good actor. Never noticed his accent.

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He has been linked with a move to France but I can’t recall if anything was actually signed. I do know there were parties interested in getting him to return to his native RSA as well – but frankly the way they cannot hold their own players seems to give the lie to that possibility. Bob Skinstad joined Gwent Dragons last weekend.


I'd've thought he'd burned too many bridges in NZ, even if under the old regime.

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My only regret is the club he has apparently chosen – it’s a waste of his talent.


You never know, he might make a difference. I assume he will be just as targeted by the oppo over there?

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I suspect he was trying to help Alan Bond rehabilitate into big business instead.


Bondy has actually rehabilitated himself to some extent. He managed to hide his stolen loot well enough to frustrate the corporate watchdogs who were chasing it. The point being that Tamerlin can't have been involved. If he had been, Bondy would still be in jail. When I get to France, I'm going to check in Tamerlin's cellar. I suspect I'll find the entire Parmalat shortfall stored down there in the form of smallgoods.

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He can discuss cooking intelligently! Leave him alone!


I wasn’t picking on him – just pointing out that he lacked the immunity to SH rugby influence that Tamerlin and I possess.

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Mmmm. Pity I never paid a moment's attention to anything he ever said.


Which is a pity as a lot of it is worth listening to.

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Ditto. S***** player, after all.


Unusually smart for one though – made more money in a five year Crisp advertising deal than in his entire Football career alledgedly.

And I agree with you about Engelbert!!!

Side stepping the Deano criticism did you know the European cup only lets you play from a squad of 34 registered for the competition? It lacks the draft replacement system that International sides have too.

Our current injury list is:

Adam Balding (stomach muscle tear)
Neil Baxter (hamstring)
James Buckland (broken leg)
Peter Cook (back)
Martin Corry (hamstring)
Daryl Gibson (hamstring)
Austin Healey (leg)
John Holtby (back)
Ben Kay (knee)
Lewis Moody (foot, stress fracture)
Geordan Murphy (broken leg)
Ramiro Pez (shoulder)
Ollie Smith (concussion)
Henry Tuilagi (ankle and hand)
Freddie Tuilagi (knee)
Sam Vesty (groin)
Julian White (knee cartilage)
Ross Broadfoot (shoulder)

So assuming they are all in the 34 by my reckoning we can only field 16 fit players on Friday – meaning 6 injured players on the bench.

See if you can find some Deano quotes about that!!

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Yes, we had "Heartbeat" for years. Mmmm. Must check out Bill Maynard. Good actor. Never noticed his accent.


That’s the thing – the Leicester accent is not a marked one.

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I'd've thought he'd burned too many bridges in NZ, even if under the old regime.


He is not exactly popular here either. Tamerlin may know where he is likely to be going?

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You never know, he might make a difference. I assume he will be just as targeted by the oppo over there?


Hell yes – and remember a season here is a minimum of 22 league games, 1 cup and 2 European. Will he last a season? They will not have bought him to sit him on a bench!

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The point being that Tamerlin can't have been involved. If he had been, Bondy would still be in jail. When I get to France, I'm going to check in Tamerlin's cellar. I suspect I'll find the entire Parmalat shortfall stored down there in the form of smallgoods.




I look forward to Tamerlin’s response!

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He is not exactly popular here either. Tamerlin may know where he is likely to be going?


Given the massive international recruitment of the Union Sportive des Harlequins de Perpignan this year, we can bet Perpignan was the French team interested.

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I have carefully avoided all the things that could have brought me some money... so believe me I can not be involved in this affair.

If you search my cellar the only things you will find are books and games.

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Keep the bastard. Our turn at the top's coming to an end anyway. Post-McGrath and -Warne we'll be back with the field.

Agreed. Apart from the Sri-Lankan spear-chucker, no-one looks like ever taking a wicket anymore. When is the last time you saw a young fast bowler who could move it both ways and had control.
England DO have as much young talent as anyone, but, I personally would expect Aus. and India to fight it out for a while.

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flipside seems to fall for the dark side every now and then.


Willingly.

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Agreed. Apart from the Sri-Lankan spear-chucker, no-one looks like ever taking a wicket anymore. When is the last time you saw a young fast bowler who could move it both ways and had control.
England DO have as much young talent as anyone, but, I personally would expect Aus. and India to fight it out for a while.


This thread should rather be named Rugby and Cricket thread - ...








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He can discuss cooking intelligently!

Funnily enough I was just thinking about posting in this thread to you about some cooking. I have been reading this article, it might have been in the Evening Standard, about this chef in England that has just been awarded a third michelin star. His forte is experimental cooking and one of his signature dishes is snail porridge. If I can dig it out, or if I can find it online I'll post something more.

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I wasn’t picking on him – just pointing out that he lacked the immunity to SH rugby influence that Tamerlin and I possess.

Just another ex-colony boy kicking along.

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This thread should rather be named Rugby and Cricket thread - ...


You know, I have often wondered as to why cricket is exclusively ex-Commonwealth and Rugby isn't?

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Funnily enough the strong communities of English that existed in France brought Rugby with them in Bordeaux and in the Ile-de-France area but decided it was not worth introducing Cricket as well.

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I wasn’t picking on him – just pointing out that he lacked the immunity to SH rugby influence that Tamerlin and I possess.


Look, he was born and bred in Oodnadatta, sent to the NH as a babe in arms, and planted as a mole. He has only recently been activated. Unfortunately, his obvious intelligence and rampant common sense has him standing out like dogs' testicles in his NH surroundings. I shall contact his minder and have him try to dumb him down a bit to fit in better.

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Which is a pity as a lot of it is worth listening to.


I might put his book on the long line of gifts for Mrs finbar for her birthday - along with the Whipper Snipper, battery-powered drill, carton of cigarettes and tomato fertiliser - that I might end up borrowing.

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Side stepping the Deano criticism did you know the European cup only lets you play from a squad of 34 registered for the competition? It lacks the draft replacement system that International sides have too.


How odd. S12 requires a defined squad, but I think they can add to it.

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Austin Healey (leg)


Got the whole leg into his mouth this time, did he?

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See if you can find some Deano quotes about that!!


Here's one, in keeping with his recent output, that you can pass on to him from me:

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Hell yes – and remember a season here is a minimum of 22 league games, 1 cup and 2 European. Will he last a season? They will not have bought him to sit him on a bench!


Yes, but the standard of competition is lower. He'll cope.

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I look forward to Tamerlin’s response!


His response will be a test of how well he can type with a slab of pilfered salami in one hand and a hunk of pilfered prosciutto in his bouche.

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Given the massive international recruitment of the Union Sportive des Harlequins de Perpignan this year, we can bet Perpignan was the French team interested.


We're not interested in idle musings. Get on the case! Find out!

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If you search my cellar the only things you will find are books and games.


Yep. A well-thumbed copy of How To Smuggle Pilfered Smallgoods and an unopened copy of Sid Meier's Antipasto - 3: Revenge of the Parma Ham!

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Agreed. Apart from the Sri-Lankan spear-chucker, no-one looks like ever taking a wicket anymore. When is the last time you saw a young fast bowler who could move it both ways and had control.


Thank heavens for a small oasis of civilised chat. You're right. Part of the problem also, I think, is that groundsmen everywhere are turning out batsmen's paradises. Add in helmets and the nonsensical bouncer laws, and bowlers everywhere are struggling.

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England DO have as much young talent as anyone, but, I personally would expect Aus. and India to fight it out for a while.


England will always struggle while they have an overpopulated, uncompetitive County system as its base. Players will only improve if they're challenged. That can't happen often enough in county cricket.

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This thread should rather be named Rugby and Cricket thread - ...


Why not!?




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Yeah, too much pilfered Parma ham can bring on Alzheimers.

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Funnily enough I was just thinking about posting in this thread to you about some cooking. I have been reading this article, it might have been in the Evening Standard, about this chef in England that has just been awarded a third michelin star. His forte is experimental cooking and one of his signature dishes is snail porridge. If I can dig it out, or if I can find it online I'll post something more.


Who's the chef?

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Funnily enough the strong communities of English that existed in France brought Rugby with them in Bordeaux and in the Ile-de-France area but decided it was not worth introducing Cricket as well.


They tried. Les Grenouilles took to the biff and barge and jamming your head up other blokes' backsides with relish, for obvious reasons. The subtleties of cricket, for obvious reasons, escaped them.

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Part of the problem also, I think, is that groundsmen everywhere are turning out batsmen's paradises. Add in helmets and the nonsensical bouncer laws, and bowlers everywhere are struggling.



England will always struggle while they have an overpopulated, uncompetitive County system as its base. Players will only improve if they're challenged. That can't happen often enough in county cricket.


Agreed on the laws and the wickets, it's a carry over from the one day stuff.

I totally agree with what you have to say about county cricket and how much it improves players.
The system is slowly changing though. With the centralisation of contracts, the increasing amount of international cricket and the acadamy system, England is becoming more like a team that is seperate from the underlying county structure.
The players in the England team will, I hope, improve through regular exposure to these standards, rather than, as has previously been the case, the selection policy being that that the last man standing after playing ten years of county bollocks, gets to play two tests.
The first of which, must be when struggling for form before making your farewell appearence in the final test against whichever team is the strongest in world cricket at the time.
Still, what do I know? I support Hampshire.The last time they actually produced, a test cricketer was about twenty years ago.

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They tried. Les Grenouilles took to the biff and barge and jamming your head up other blokes' backsides with relish, for obvious reasons. The subtleties of cricket, for obvious reasons, escaped them.


Finbar... how do you want me to reply to your posts while Dermott is looking right into my eyes...

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Look, he was born and bred in Oodnadatta, sent to the NH as a babe in arms, and planted as a mole. He has only recently been activated. Unfortunately, his obvious intelligence and rampant common sense has him standing out like dogs' testicles in his NH surroundings. I shall contact his minder and have him try to dumb him down a bit to fit in better.


*I hear and must obey*
The rolling maul and penalty kicking are the highest form of rugby . You must, in no way, attempt to run anywhere near the ball carrier unless he is going to pass to you.All player's representing your national team must be born within 319 meters of your national stadium.

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*I hear and must obey*
The rolling maul and penalty kicking are the highest form of rugby . You must, in no way, attempt to run anywhere near the ball carrier unless he is going to pass to you.All player's representing your national team must be born within 319 meters of your national stadium.


Ah! Ah! You are unmasked! You would have replaced penalty kicking with "the ruck" if you were really coming from the Northern Hemisphere... we the keeper of the true Game of Rugby.



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Ah! Ah! You are unmasked! You would have replaced penalty kicking with "the ruck" if you were really coming from the Northern Hemisphere... we the keeper of the true Game of Rugby.

Funnily enough I thought about it, but decided it was too celtic.
Unless this this is some type of French schism, no TRUE NH team would ruck unless the ball accidently ended up in the backs or they were celtic .

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Who's the chef?

His name is Heston Blumenthal. He does all sorts of things such as Smoked bacon and egg ice cream, cooking desserts in liquid nitrogen, and has a restaurant called "The Fat Duck." The ideas that interest me the most are his theories of how vegetables should be cooked at a low temperature in bottled water and how meat does not need to be sealed.

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Unless this this is some type of French schism, no TRUE NH team would ruck...


In a sudden momentary lapse of attention, certainly coming from the repeated abuse of wheed, I thought "scrum" and my fingers typed "ruck".







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I totally agree with what you have to say about county cricket and how much it improves players.
The system is slowly changing though. With the centralisation of contracts, the increasing amount of international cricket and the acadamy system, England is becoming more like a team that is seperate from the underlying county structure.


Yes, and I don't think it's helping the cause. I would argue that county cricket should be the nursery, with the academy the - as it were - finishing school. They obviously work hand-in-hand, but it's the week-to-week competition of county cricket that should be developing and practising the skills that are fine-tuned at the academy. And, perhaps more importantly, county cricket should be where they're developing their competitive edge.

Here, we have six state teams. Competition to get into the teams is fierce because the next step up is Test cricket. Ergo, competition between the teams is fierce, because they know they're on display for the Test selectors. Our academy works on honing skills. The competitive edge is developed playing state cricket.

The county system was the first "professional" cricket in the world. Unfortunately, the "job" factor has never been overcome. Players hung around for their superannuation in the form of their testimonial year. Certainly, some highly skilled players came through the system, but, it seems, almost by accident rather than design.

They've tinkered with the county system - creating two divisions - but they haven't addressed the real problem of too many teams allowing too many players who will never reach the higher level to drag down the overall quality. I can appreciate why the authorities haven't bitten the bullet and created a league of, say, eight teams - tradition. I'm all for tradition, but I think it's holding England back.

Along with, as Havak has pointed out a couple of times, the disappearance of cricket from schools.

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Mmmm. Well, I don't think they will.

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Yes, but Hampshire produced the inimitable John Arlott, cricket's finest ever voice, IMHO. Be satisfied with that.

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The rolling maul and penalty kicking are the highest form of rugby . You must, in no way, attempt to run anywhere near the ball carrier unless he is going to pass to you.All player's representing your national team must be born within 319 meters of your national stadium.


Goodoh. I'd rank that 7/10. Work on flattening your vowels and increasing your waistline with a couple of hundred yards of bitter, and you're looking at 9.5/10 as a Havak clone.

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Finbar... how do you want me to reply to your posts while Dermott is looking right into my eyes...


Someone has to keep you in line when I'm not around!

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His name is Heston Blumenthal. He does all sorts of things such as Smoked bacon and egg ice cream, cooking desserts in liquid nitrogen, and has a restaurant called "The Fat Duck." The ideas that interest me the most are his theories of how vegetables should be cooked at a low temperature in bottled water and how meat does not need to be sealed.


Ah yes. I've seen him a couple of times in various cooking-related shows on cable here. He made an appearance in one very interesting short series about the "chemistry" of cooking - literally, the science of what happens to food when it's cooked, and the various alternative methods that can be used. I remember they worked on debunking the traditional claim that adding salt to water brightened a vegetable's colour - the green of green beans, for example.

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Originally posted by Tamerlin


In a sudden momentary lapse of attention, certainly coming from the repeated abuse of wheed, I thought "scrum" and my fingers typed "ruck".


Could have been worse. You could have hit the "f" rather than the "r".

 
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