22-01-2004 09:00									#1
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How did he end up winning in Iowa? Dean was touted as being the most Bush hating, ultra left boy on the block. Kerry on the other hand served in the military, supported the war? -Not sure about this. Anyway he's more centrist than Dean. Dean only took 3rd! So is the democratic party more centrist than supposed?

Also, Edwards seems to me like a guy that could run well against Bush, (win?) so is he on the democratic left or center? Where does he stand on Iraq? What are his chances of getting the nomination?

	22-01-2004 09:14									#2
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Many Iowans didn't want to do any favors for a guy who thinks the Iowa caucacus (fvck spelling) is corrupt.

	22-01-2004 09:29									#3
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Kerry didn't so much win, as much as Dean blew it.

	22-01-2004 09:30									#4
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Ogie wins the double Jeopardy points tonight.

	22-01-2004 09:33									#5
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Are you going to vote for Cheney?

	22-01-2004 09:34									#6
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I'm going to vote for you, TCO.

	22-01-2004 09:34									#7
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uh-oh . . . . .

do we have a cross-post situation here?

	22-01-2004 09:50									#9
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer So is the democratic party more centrist than supposed?

Well yes Lancer - you don't have any left wing parties of any consequence. You have a centre right progressive party called the democrats and a rightwing conservative party called the Republicans.

You have nothing like our Labor Party, or the Greens or Liberals.

	22-01-2004 12:18									#10
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Do you guys still have John Howard as PM?

	22-01-2004 12:42									#11
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sadly yes - but hopefully not for much longer.

	22-01-2004 14:58									#12
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Democrats are pretty much deciding they want to nominate a candidate that has a good chance of winning, and are starting to thing that Kerry could be that guy.

Kerry isn't THAT much to the center though. He established himself politically originally by being a military war hero and vetran who came home to be an anti-war activist regarding Vietnam. His opening in politics came when he testified before Congress in April of 1971 and asked "How do you ask a man to be the last man to die in Vietnam? How do you ask a man to be the last man to die for a mistake?"

In other news, Kerry now has a 10 percent point lead in New Hampshire and his campaign raised half a million dollars in the 39 hours after the end of the Iowa Caucuses.
http://www.boston.com/news/politics...d_raising_push/

	22-01-2004 15:12									#13
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C'mon Lieberman, we need at least one adult in the race.

	22-01-2004 15:18									#14
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quote: C'mon Lieberman, we need at least one adult in the race.

	22-01-2004 16:43									#15
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Dean is much more centerist than Kerry. Dean is more centerist than Edwards also. The Republican pundits have just painted Dean as "far left" because he opposed the war.

Kerry and Edwards apparantly believed they could trust Bush to handle Iraq well when the voted for the "resolution". A severe misjudgement of character, (by their own standards) and a reason they neither should be elected president.

I sent Howard Dean $100 today. I couldn't have been the only one.

	22-01-2004 16:49									#16
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quote: The Republican pundits have just painted Dean as "far left" because he opposed the war.

Bullshit. Dean painted himself as far left to try and win support from the "democratic wing of the Democratic party". Now he's finding out that hippies, while certainly a vocal group, aren't numerous enough to win the Democratic nomination, let alone a general election.

	22-01-2004 17:01									#17
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Bullshit. Dean painted himself as far left to try and win support from the "democratic wing of the Democratic party". Now he's finding out that hippies, while certainly a vocal group, aren't numerous enough to win the Democratic nomination, let alone a general election.

As a neocon youth, your words mean nothing but angry conservative banter trying to get the Democrats and the Republicans to fall in line and salute your fuhrer.

Opposing Bush's irresponsible fiscal policy and his interventionalist war are actually conservative ideals!

Since when is tax-cut and spend fiscal policy conservative?! Only when Furher Bush delcares it so!

	22-01-2004 17:03									#18
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quote: As a neocon youth, your words mean nothing but angry conservative banter trying to get the Democrats and the Republicans to fall in line and salute your fuhrer.

	22-01-2004 17:04									#19
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quote: Originally posted by Sikander C'mon Lieberman, we need at least one adult in the race.

Isn't Liebermann the guy who applauds even when Bush eats a baby?

	22-01-2004 17:04									#20
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So re-regulation isn't a left-wing policy? I'd be pretty left-wing for a US citizen, and Dean is too far left for me.

Kerry

Lancer: Edwards most electable? How so? Don't people always complain he doesn't have the experience, and he doesn't have the profile of Dean, Kerry or Clark.

IMHO, though Edwards showed well here, he doesn't have the money or the profile to win the nomination, let alone the election. I think he'll drop out after the Feb 3rd primaries, when he realises he can't win. I'm not sure about Clark's financials, but unless Kerry runs out of money (looking quite likely ) I think he'll get the nomination.

	22-01-2004 17:13									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue So re-regulation isn't a left-wing policy? I'd be pretty left-wing for a US citizen, and Dean is too far left for me. Kerry

Have you ever looked at Kerry's proposals for health care? He is from Taxachussettes. Re-regulation? LEFT WING KERRY: He was endorsed strongly by the pro-choice people, and by gun control fans. They are a good many activists who were forgotten by the pundits.

Dean was endorsed by the NRA! Plus he ran a good state for 12 years in Vermont. Dean's health care solution actually includes opening up American drug companies to standard patent regulation, and taking away their special protections.

	22-01-2004 17:16									#22
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Dean isn't a left-winger at all, but he painted himself that way in an attempt to ride hippie anger to the Dem nomination and now it's coming back to bite him in the ass.

	22-01-2004 17:20									#23
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quote: Originally posted by NeOmega Have you ever looked at Kerry's proposals for health care? He is from Taxachussettes. Re-regulation? LEFT WING KERRY: He was endorsed strongly by the pro-choice people, and by gun control fans. They are a good many activists who were forgotten by the pundits.

I sure hope Kerry will win then. He looks like a social-democrat much more than this rightwinger Dean.

	22-01-2004 17:22									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Drake Tungsten Dean isn't a left-winger at all, but he painted himself that way in an attempt to ride hippie anger to the Dem nomination and now it's coming back to bite him in the ass.

No Hannity, O'Reilly, Kondrake and Limbaugh painted Dean as a left-wing hippy. They constantly focused on his comments about the war, allthough Dean talks about a lot more than the war on the campaign trail.

Also, forget not, Dean has still, by far, the most money in his war chest. This battle is far, far from over. Iowa is one small state amongst 50... and when Dean wins the dem nomination, the money to beat Bush will pour in on a massive scale. Kerry, Lieberman and Edwards will have to hope for this kind of machine to spring up later in the camapign, or they will get creamed by Bush's war chest.

	22-01-2004 17:42									#25
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I still cannot understand why the Democratic perty doesn't pool its resources to win the fricking election once the candidate is chosen.

	22-01-2004 17:54									#26
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Because this election is about people, not parties. The people notating would donate to the candidate, not to the party. Bush and Lieberman are probably closer politically (left-right) than say Lieberman and Sharpton. A democrat who supports Sharpton wouldn't support Lieberman anymore than a Bush supporter might. It's not necessarily the parties that matter, they are voting for an individual, not a party. They are voting for his policies, not (necessarily) the democrat policies.

I'd love for Kerry to win. Not only is he a bette candidate, IMHO, than Dean, he seems a lot more electable. He also has a decent amount of cash. Sure, not as much as Dean, but enough to be respectable.

However I do give Dean credit for Vermont, he has done well as Governor.

	22-01-2004 18:00									#27
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But you are a wimpy shade-tree planter.

	22-01-2004 18:05									#28
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Why do you tell that to a Rosbif?

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need some CG lessons.

	22-01-2004 18:09									#30
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quote: Originally posted by TCO But you are a wimpy shade-tree planter.

Actually, I've never planted a tree in my life

But I am a greenie, wimp and all A Euro Greenie though, US Green Party is too socialist for me.