25-01-2004 00:08									#31
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quote: Originally posted by MrWhereItsAt This is ONE step from being Dave Lister.

	25-01-2004 02:26									#32
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quote: Originally posted by St Leo quote: Originally posted by Sava you don't need to be a repuke to want sick criminal ****s put to death Nah, any emotionally unstable idiot can do that.

We'll just send 'em all to your house, and you can deal with 'em.

	25-01-2004 02:27									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Sava or someone who is realistic about where society should spend it's resources and who it should bother to try to rehabilitate... there is no worse a violent and disturbing crime than rape, add to the mix the victim was his mother... and you got one ****ed up piece of **** kid. The money spent on years of prison/institutional help could be better served helping the poor or other mentally disturbed individuals who aren't violent criminals.

Stop being reasonable, Sava - it'll be a disturbing trend if you keep it up.

	25-01-2004 02:49									#34
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MtG: Yeah, that's seriously freaky .

	25-01-2004 03:08									#35
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quote: or someone who is realistic about where society should spend it's resources and who it should bother to try to rehabilitate... there is no worse a violent and disturbing crime than rape, add to the mix the victim was his mother... and you got one ****ed up piece of **** kid. The money spent on years of prison/institutional help could be better served helping the poor or other mentally disturbed individuals who aren't violent criminals.

	25-01-2004 03:48									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Sava or someone who is realistic about where society should spend it's resources and who it should bother to try to rehabilitate... there is no worse a violent and disturbing crime than rape, add to the mix the victim was his mother... and you got one ****ed up piece of **** kid. The money spent on years of prison/institutional help could be better served helping the poor or other mentally disturbed individuals who aren't violent criminals.

And so you condemn another human to death. Congratulations.

	25-01-2004 03:48									#37
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quote: where society should spend it's resources and who it should bother to try to rehabilitate

So why rehabilitate anyone? Why not just hang 'em all and be done with it?

	25-01-2004 03:56									#38
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We might get something useful out of those we rehabilitate.

	25-01-2004 04:10									#39
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Weird.

I read somewhere that incest between biological parents and children who were adopted out is not uncommon when they meet again in adult life. Scary stuff.

This kiddie probably needs to be locked up for his own good.

	25-01-2004 04:15									#40
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Killing this kid would be a sick and obscene idea. Anyone who would do something like this very likely has severe psychological problems that would limit his culpability.

The classical arguments for DP don't really apply well. Detterance? Raping your mom is such a rare crime we don't need to be concerned about that? Reperations for the victim? The mom herself said she wants to see her son get treatment.

That leaves protection for society. Well, there alot of sick people we arrest that are likely to be long term problems, potentially violent problems, for society. But we don't kill them just on potential- unless they have actually done the ultimate crime and murdered someone and have thus proven that they are a severe danger to society.

Killing this kid would show an absolute and total disrespect for the value of life in society.

	25-01-2004 04:17									#41
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The death penalty doesn't work. It doesn't deter criminals and it relies on an infallibility in the Justice system which is unattainable.

More to the point, whatever the morals of putting criminals to death it is certainly bad for the community as it appeals to the lowest most vengeful human instincts.

	25-01-2004 04:24									#42
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quote: And so you condemn another human to death. Congratulations.

thank you

quote: So why rehabilitate anyone? Why not just hang 'em all and be done with it?

damn straight!

quote: Killing this kid would show an absolute and total disrespect for the value of life in society.

because raping your mother is so much more respectful. Besides society is for pussies and women

	25-01-2004 04:38									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi So why rehabilitate anyone?

The why is easy. The how to is the problem. Rehabilitation efforts have been the most futile and wasteful part of any criminal justice system I have knowledge of,

	25-01-2004 06:57									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Lefty Scaevola The why is easy. The how to is the problem. Rehabilitation efforts have been the most futile and wasteful part of any criminal justice system I have knowledge of,

What you said, except replace "rehabilitation" with "punishment".

	25-01-2004 07:14									#45
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great, I think Im gonna have problem getting a hard on for weeks....

damn 15 raping a 36 yr old alone is pretty ****ed up.

	25-01-2004 07:56									#46
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Bigger picture....the mother. Can you imagine the guilt she must feel. Even if she did nothing to cause it, we as mother's tend to feel guilty for our childs actions. She must be going through a horrible time let alone the embaressment of living in a town where everyone knows your son raped you.

	25-01-2004 08:15									#47
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That's it. No supper for you, young man!

	25-01-2004 08:21									#48
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quote: Originally posted by Winston That's it. No supper for you, young man!

	25-01-2004 08:23									#49
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quote: Originally posted by Winston That's it. No supper for you, young man!

ewwww

	25-01-2004 10:40									#50
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This assault is clearly all Eminem's fault.

	25-01-2004 10:44									#51
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Oh, and add me to the chorus that says the best thing to do is to execute the ****er.

	25-01-2004 12:01									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi So why rehabilitate anyone? Why not just hang 'em all and be done with it?

Understanding is Superior to Ignorance.
You may learn useful stuff and people are less pissed of if they're understood rather than ignored.

Wasn't there this Oedipus dude?
There's been plenty of Matricide throughout history... some people are annoyed at their parents for some reason.
The only way I can see this happening is if the kid wanted revenge for being sexually abused (not nescesarily by same mother).

	25-01-2004 12:07									#53
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi unless they have actually done the ultimate crime and murdered someone and have thus proven that they are a severe danger to society.

Considering some of the idiots out there, I think the danger to society would be to let them live!
Murder isn't bad if you kill those who do not deserve to live.

	25-01-2004 12:09									#54
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quote: Wasn't there this Oedipus dude?

Yeah, but in his case it was completely unwitting, so go easy on him.

	25-01-2004 12:09									#55
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quote: Originally posted by Enigma_Nova Considering some of the idiots out there, I think the danger to society would be to let them live! Murder isn't bad if you kill those who do not deserve to live.

like this guy

	25-01-2004 12:10									#56
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This person is no good to society in general, rehab will do sh#t to correct the situation, I don't believe that killing him is the answer, but damn what other option is there? He can live the rest if his life in a hole in the ground and come out even more deranged, or he can be shot which will do nothing to get to the root of the problem but will leave us with one less ****ing loser piece of filth to deal with.
Where would God stand... the answer can only be conjecture.

	26-01-2004 02:17									#57
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quote: Originally posted by Enigma_Nova Considering some of the idiots out there, I think the danger to society would be to let them live! Murder isn't bad if you kill those who do not deserve to live.

Nah, I'd rather keep conservatives alive. If anything, we are going to need cannon fodder when the Moon Rises Again.

	26-01-2004 07:12									#58
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Since he had recently been in detention I'd wonder if something might have happened while he was in there. The things that happen to a kid who "drops the soap in the shower" can do enough psychological damage to make him do something crazy.

	26-01-2004 07:18									#59
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Neither rape, incest nor assault (the three crimes commited here) are capital crimes today, so no, the kid does not "deserve" death.

Interestingly, in a society so obcessed with "vctims rights" or what the victim thinks, I see so many willing to utterly ignore the whishes oif the victim as to the outcome- just keep this in mind for later.

The kid should recieve the punishement someone would get for violent rape of a person- the fact he did it vs his mother shows that some high level of metal disturbance was present, which might mean once out of prison he would have to go to some mental institution for serious treatment.

	26-01-2004 07:20									#60
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quote: Neither rape, incest nor assault (the three crimes commited here) are capital crimes today, so no, the kid does not "deserve" death.

Is and should are different inquiries.