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I don't think we're in Brønshøj anymore
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Originally posted by Lazarus and the Gimp I used to get beaten up at school regularly, but as it was for wearing make-up I don't think it has much bearing on this discussion. |
You were a devoted fan of The Cure!
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Enigma_Nova
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Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar
lol OMFG PWNDD!!!11!!!!1 |
You are about to enter...
The Ignore zone
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Hawthrone
Mar 1999
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You're right. I'm "assuming," based on experience, that the "intellectual" is going to get flak for being an arrogant twit -- that the intellectual is not as socially able as the rugby player, because the rugby player doesn't act like a condescending blowhard when he answers questions in class. Your "in the same manner" qualifier implies that you're asking questions in the same manner as a rugby player -- so, try being a rugby player for awhile, ask questions in the same manner, and report back on the results. |
I thinks thats because the rugby player will answer on the same intelligence level as the questioner. Or at least answer on a common ground, whereas the intellectual would have to step down, because most probably the crowd doesnt want to step up. And when he doesnt want to step down, he is considered a smart ass.
But I think thats just to hide that for yourself you are a lazy ass ;-)
In General there is this fear that you get into a situation with lots of people and it proves you are a dumbass. Talking with an intellectual this situation would be much more likely, maybe a reason for more tense situations and hostilities.
Also I believe that clever people are considered to be dangerous and as such there would be natural resentments. Because obviously physical power is much better to weigh. Or at least you believe you can weigh it better. Besides there is pretty good protection from law against physical attacks. However there is only weak or no protection if you were out-witted!
In the intellectual world the strength of a person is hidden very well if you dont know him real good.
I think thats one reason why people are more suspicioius to intellectuals.
Another reason is that because you can hide your intellectual strengths you can also bluff or fake.
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Originally posted by Park Avenue
Intellectuals also seem to ignore human emotions and feelings with their pursuit for absolute rationality. Well guess what, we aren't rational creatures. |
What say you to folk (like me) with both exceptional IQ and EQ?
I'm friends with the Professors, even the arrogant ones. I'm also quite a fan of the insightful and thoughtful people at my college.
...Yes I do get along well with folk who I do not have a long-term goal of killing, TYVM. Just that that group does not happen to include the majority of our species. 
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Just because it is difficult to express why people take a particular position (ie, provide a "logical" sequence or whatever) does not mean their position is any less valid. |
 No, but nor does it validate our agreement with their position.
Whether their position is 'valid' or not (who validates life goals anyway?), we can still 'validate' our opposition to it.
Not that I believe my goal of destroying the Smacktard cycle is inherently 'good', but that I judge it to be the thing to do, to support the things I like.
My likes, values, beliefs and feelings are subjective and I don't think they're 100% Correct (Something subjective isn't even on a Right-Wrong slider), but I use them as bases for stuff I do.
Funny how you can never escape at least -some- form of presumption...
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Why do I lift weights..because I like the feeling it gives. Why do I dislike ***s..because I dislike being around them and what they say.
You could argue that it's the intellectuals who are just not in touch with their feelings and that. |
Some are, some aren't. Though chances are we have different feelings to your ilk.
BTW I don't like this big grouping of folk into an 'intellectuals' box... I reckon that there are different types!
(No I am not going to supply other boxes for you to put them in. Try to be boxless.)
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Enigma_Nova
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Originally posted by Ramo
Who doesn't use their intellect for recreation or career? |
Recreation: My Frat house enemies
Career: George W. Bush
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Please make all cheques payable to Whaleboy
Jan 2003
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But the most useless intellectuals are also the ones who are the quickest to proclaim their status as 'intellectual'. Postmodernists, other theorists, cultural commentators, 'contemporary' artists, critics, students etc.
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Its a commonly known fact that useless intellectuals get more sex.
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I suppose I'm an intellectual, but I've never thought of myself as one, and I possess a great admiration for those who have actually gone and done something worthwhile. I'm always ready to give people praise for training to be a nurse, for example. So much more useful than what I do.
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The notion of "use" is a difficult one. Let me put it this way. Imagine civilisation to be a car. Most people work in the engine, where they are perceived useful. You get some people who are the drivers (the policians, big business, pressure groups, pragmatic intellectuals (I think you are saying etc). Then you get the headlights  .
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Oh they didn't - i got to Uni, two degress and consumed vast quantities of booze. I didn't do it the way you suggested though. I changed my behaviour and became 'one of the boys'. Perhaps your insistence on sticking two metaphorical fingers up at your class mates is part of the reason you get a tough time ?
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Fair enough, but some people are the kind of students that don't learn well in a normal class, i.e., spoon fed. Not so much now, but especially when I was a kid, I learned through questioning and educating myself. That didn't endear me to any of my classmates, and I was not coming across as arrogant.
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Oh they didn't - i got to Uni, two degress and consumed vast quantities of booze. I didn't do it the way you suggested though. I changed my behaviour and became 'one of the boys'. Perhaps your insistence on sticking two metaphorical fingers up at your class mates is part of the reason you get a tough time ?
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In interesting idea, I can't say it really crossed my mind before. However, see above point.
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Enigma_Nova, sorry but to me you sound intolerant and arrogant but then i'm just a miserbale old git faced with doing the housework
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Why are people so quick to cry "INTOLERANCE!". Heavens, its PC gone absolutely mad! 
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I have no problem with anyone calling themself "intelligent". However I'd probably avoid anyone calling themself "intellectual", due to bitter experience. Every person I've met who calls themself "intellectual" has turned out to have a crap personality.
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For me, its the other way around. Intellectual is merely highlighting one of your talents, like someone saying "I'm good at sports". I see no difference when someone says "I'm good at philosophy" (ergo, he is intellectual). When you say you are intelligent or talented, THEN you are implying that you are superior.
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I used to get beaten up at school regularly, but as it was for wearing make-up I don't think it has much bearing on this discussion.
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It's entirely possible, but I reckon people should be able to express their beliefs, and so battle for that.
Conformism is the coward's way out of the conflict!
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Then I replaced you.
There is only one word capable of harnessing the power of this instance.
You, sir, have been
0WN3D
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Gentlemen please, no fighting over my sig space . I love you both!
Loinburger:
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based on experience
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Which seems to contradict others
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being an arrogant twit...condescending blowhard
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Case in point... LOINBURGER!!! . You're demonstrating what I'm trying to show.
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so, try being a rugby player for awhile, ask questions in the same manner, and report back on the results.
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There are not different languages in class for those that spending their lunch times reading, and those that spend them rolling around in the mud with their heads between another mans buttocks!! 
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Who bloody cares which one gets the higher "competency number"? That's no different than saying "Everybody is equally athletic, because you cannot objectively measure whether an olympic-class sprinter is faster than an olympic-class marathon runner!" Obviously both the chemist and physicist are intelligent, and obviously both the sprinter and the distance runner are athletic. We don't need a more fine-grained definition of intelligence/competence/athleticism/whatever, so the fact that our current definitions are coarse-grained in no way proves that our current definitions are meaningless.
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We are left to conclude that everyone is equally talented, though in different ways, until proven otherwise. And relativism dictates that in the absence of any subjective measure of judgment, we are all equally valid, or talented.
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It is for some people. (Looks at some unnamed OT posters)
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Who cares? He's just a camp, stuck up, introverted, psuedo intellectual anyway, fvck him!!!!!
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Thats going on my sig!!
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Enigma_Nova
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Originally posted by Whaleboy
The notion of "use" is a difficult one. Let me put it this way. Imagine civilisation to be a car. |
If Civilization were a car:
It would run like a Chevy.
Then they produce Civilization: II
Which runs like a Chevy, but has tail fins.
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Why are people so quick to cry "INTOLERANCE!". Heavens, its PC gone absolutely mad! |
The act of convicting yourself because other people are incapable of coping with the stuff your brain produces?
It's backwards! We should imprison people for being offended, not for offending!
Damn, people! Weed out the weakest of our species...
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Gentlemen please, no fighting over my sig space . I love you both! |
But you love ME more, right? 
I love you, too. Now, let's wait for more prejudice from folk that think interhuman compassion is a sign of being a 'poofter'...
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We are left to conclude that everyone is equally talented, though in different ways, until proven otherwise. And relativism dictates that in the absence of any subjective measure of judgment, we are all equally valid, or talented. |
Occam's razor in this instance dictates that we do away with any notion of absolute value and forget the conclusion altogether.
I'm good at Physics and Vengeance, but lousy at Law and Manipulation. Screw putting a value on any area - just sign me up for a job as a scientist and keep me away from those slimy spin doctors!
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So true |
You concede the point?
iM wInNeR1!1 my penis must therefore be larger than yours!
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Thats going on my sig!! |
Look - now he's booted some innocent poster out of his sig space.
YOU stopped the flow of love, reds4ever! 
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