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I <3 etna, omg disgaea fag
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http://www.cnn.com/2004/LAW/01/26/p...t.ap/index.html
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LOS ANGELES, California (AP) -- A federal judge has declared unconstitutional a portion of the USA Patriot Act that bars giving expert advice or assistance to groups designated international terrorist organizations.
The ruling marks the first court decision to declare a part of the post-September 11, 2001 anti-terrorism statute unconstitutional, said David Cole, a Georgetown University law professor who argued the case on behalf of the Humanitarian Law Project.
In a ruling handed down late Friday and made available Monday, U.S. District Judge Audrey Collins said the ban on providing "expert advice or assistance" is impermissibly vague, in violation of the First and Fifth Amendments.
John Tyler, the Justice Department attorney who argued the case, had no comment and referred calls to the department press office in Washington. A message left there was not immediately returned.
The case before the court involved five groups and two U.S. citizens seeking to provide support for lawful, nonviolent activities on behalf of Kurdish refugees in Turkey.
The Humanitarian Law Project, which brought the lawsuit, said the plaintiffs were threatened with 15 years in prison if they advised groups on seeking a peaceful resolution of the Kurds' campaign for self-determination in Turkey.
The judge's ruling said the law, as written, does not differentiate between impermissible advice on violence and encouraging the use of peaceful, nonviolent means to achieve goals.
"The USA Patriot Act places no limitation on the type of expert advice and assistance which is prohibited and instead bans the provision of all expert advice and assistance regardless of its nature," the judge said.
Cole declared the ruling "a victory for everyone who believes the war on terrorism ought to be fought consistent with constitutional principles." |
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Capt Dizle
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Originally posted by The Mad Viking
They who would give up an essential liberty for temporary security, deserve neither liberty or security. |
They who would not give up temporary liberty for essential security, will have neither liberty or security.
This government is not our enemy, nor did they kill thousands of our countrymen on 9/11. Now is again the time for all good men to come to the support of our country.
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Capt Dizle
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I think these groups and US Citizens need to be a little less concerned about Kurdish liberty and a little more concerned about US security. Turkey has cooperated with US anti-terrorism and US citizens need to just stop their efforts against Turkish national interests.
There is a war on.
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Capt Dizle
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Originally posted by Thorn
Arguing with a quote be Thomas Jefferson I see....
You make me wretch and want to vomit..... support of our country.... You're not the one that was on a terrorist watch list...... |
Feel free to retch and vomit all you want. If you are an American you should be proud to submit to the temporary inconveince of being on a watch list. It is just another way of serving one's country.
Service of any sort is sacrifice. I appreciate the sacrifice you made for our security.
If you are not an American I could care less pal.
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Capt Dizle
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
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A people unwilling to sacrifice some part of their individual rights for the welfare of the people as a whole are not worthy of liberties nor will they long enjoy them. |
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They who would not give up temporary liberty for essential security, will have neither liberty or security.
This government is not our enemy, nor did they kill thousands of our countrymen on 9/11. Now is again the time for all good men to come to the support of our country. |
no, the government is not the enemy.
vigilance must be kept to prevent the government from being the enemy.
it is easier to gain security with no liberty than it is to gain security with liberty; the patriot act is on the path of security with no liberty.
it might be easier to do it this way.
that doesn't make it right.
and that quote is ben franklin's. |
And really its up to good men to make sound judgements. We just have a different opinion about what degree of security is justified and what degree of liberty is at risk. I do not yet see a problem. No one has made a convincing case that our liberty is at jeopardy as far as I am concerned. As far as the judiciary is concerned I am content to assume any decision to strike down any specific provision of the Patriot Act is merely a partisan act by a liberal activist until facts surface to the contrary. It is a safe position to take.
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Comrade Tassadar
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Originally posted by jimmytrick
And really its up to good men to make sound judgements. We just have a different opinion about what degree of security is justified and what degree of liberty is at risk. I do not yet see a problem. No one has made a convincing case that our liberty is at jeopardy as far as I am concerned. As far as the judiciary is concerned I am content to assume any decision to strike down any specific provision of the Patriot Act is merely a partisan act by a liberal activist until facts surface to the contrary. It is a safe position to take. |
Yes. All the peoples should, of course, trust Commander-in-Comrade Gyorj Boosh!
Those who do not are liberal commienazi terrorists!
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27-01-2004 01:45
. Yes that would appear to not make sense, but it does.
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