29-01-2004 10:10									#151
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Instruct the children in the path which they should tred and they shall not stray far from it.

Some of them are thick headed so you just have keep pounding.

No northern Democratic can beat George Bush.

Plus, anyway, Ramo, why be a cowardly Democratic. Don't you have the balls to attack Bush on his turf? Why try to steal a state when you could win them all?

	29-01-2004 10:11									#152
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both had advantages and disadvantages. I personally am surprised Bush got elcted Governor let alone President.

	29-01-2004 10:31									#153
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quote: No northern Democratic can beat George Bush.

Repeating it over and over again ain't gonna make it so.

quote: Plus, anyway, Ramo, why be a cowardly Democratic. Don't you have the balls to attack Bush on his turf? Why try to steal a state when you could win them all?

I'm certainly no Democrat, and I don't care whether or not the Democratic nominee wins all 50 states; I just want Shrub to lose.

And attacking him on his own ground takes money - more than any Democrat is likely to have, not balls.

	29-01-2004 19:30									#154
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Some morning news today (Thursday):


Dean is asking about 500 of his staffers if they are willing to work without a paycheck for the next two weeks. This means that his campaign funding is obviously going in the red.

	29-01-2004 19:33									#155
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quote: Originally posted by Ramo Regardless of whether or not Shrub cheated (which he did ), Gore should have won by a fair margin with the advantages he had going into the race. He was ultimately the crappier politician.

I don't think anyone would dispute you there.

Gore should have won, easily. The fact that it was so close at all showed that he didn't deserve to win. It's like when a football team blames the refs when they're upset by an inferior opponent.

	29-01-2004 19:57									#156
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quote: Originally posted by Pax Africanus The best ticket too beat President Bush would probabably be Kerry/Dean? Whose coming with me?

I'd say Kerry/Gore, or even Dean/Gore. I think Gore didn't run so he could take the VP spot, because everyone's fighting dirty against Dean especially, so if Dean wins, he probably wouldn't want one of the others as his running mate. Also, it sets Gore up for a shot at presidency in 2012, or 2008 if the Dems lose. Sure, he'll have to face Hillary, but after losing that closely, it shows he's electable. Like Nixon losing to JFK, I think Gore will come back and one day be President. I can see the Dems nominating Hillary in 2008, but I can't see her winning. I think she's too left to be electable

	29-01-2004 20:00									#157
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Dean is not going to do very well from here on probably due to his finances -- see my last post, Drogue.

	29-01-2004 20:39									#158
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Dean has to win a primary soon or it is OVER.

	29-01-2004 20:40									#159
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I also agree that it is time to talk VP.

Kerry needs a Southerner. There are two in the race. Edwards and Clark. Who do you think Kerry will pick?

	29-01-2004 20:43									#160
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The Dean campaign is broke!?! Man, when they ran his campaign like a internet start-up, they went all the way, didn't they?

	29-01-2004 20:48									#161
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quote: Originally posted by Ned I also agree that it is time to talk VP. Kerry needs a Southerner. There are two in the race. Edwards and Clark. Who do you think Kerry will pick?

Edwards or someone not running. Him and Clark don't seem like a good pair to me.

quote: Originally posted by MrFun Dean is not going to do very well from here on probably due to his finances -- see my last post, Drogue.

Neither has Kerry. Kerry ran huge amounts of ads for Iowa and NH, spending very little in the Feb 3rd states. He was apparently the only candidate not already running TV ads just after Iowa (someone posted the article then).

Dean started with $40 million, Kerry with less than $40 million. My money's that Dean still has more than Kerry. Maybe not enough to challenge Bush, but enough to stand a good chance in the Primary. Also, Edwards has had peanuts (comparitively) the whole time, IIRC.

They all need more money, and I don't think Dean is worse hit than Kerry, who asked supporters to get more funding. I think Dean just needs the money now, for the Feb 3rd states, which is why he's asked.

	29-01-2004 20:53									#162
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So Dean has more money than Kerry in terms of campaign financing, yet Dean is the one asking 500 staffers to go for two weeks without pay??

	29-01-2004 20:57									#163
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Yes. Dean probably reckons the money is worth the publicity for it. It may even be a stunt to get more donations. Kerry had the boost of money from Iowa, but I can't believe Dean's spent more than Kerry and is losing as much as he is. Unless he's already spent a lot in Feb 3rd states, which Kerry hasn't, in which case Kerry has more money, but Dean has better publicity in those states, putting Dean in a stronger position.

	29-01-2004 21:04									#164
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quote: Originally posted by jimmytrick No northern democrat can beat Bush.

No Senator since Kennedy has been elected President. There. Now you have something that you can repeat ad nauseum that won't be as annoying to the people that read this thread and will be more correct. Or you could at least try to do a credible job of questioning the fallacy that the Dems can win without carrying at least parts of the South? Harping on the Northern Democrat designation is ignorant and only encourages people to ignore you.

	29-01-2004 21:05									#165
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue Yes. Dean probably reckons the money is worth the publicity for it. It may even be a stunt to get more donations. Kerry had the boost of money from Iowa, but I can't believe Dean's spent more than Kerry and is losing as much as he is. Unless he's already spent a lot in Feb 3rd states, which Kerry hasn't, in which case Kerry has more money, but Dean has better publicity in those states, putting Dean in a stronger position.

We'll see how this turns out.

	29-01-2004 21:06									#166
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quote: Originally posted by DinoDoc No Senator since Kennedy has been elected President. There. Now you have something that you can repeat ad nauseum that won't be as annoying to the people that read this thread and will be more correct. Or you could at least try to do a credible job of questioning the fallacy that the Dems can win without carrying at least parts of the South? Harping on the Northern Democrat designation is ignorant and only encourages people to ignore you.

My thoughts exactly -- the Civil War is over, Jimmy.

	29-01-2004 21:09									#167
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Yeah, put it in the bank. It's Kerry-Edwards.

	29-01-2004 21:41									#168
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What about Gov. Richardson of New Mexico?

It could secure a state that narrowly and surprisingly went blue in 2000, and might win back some of the hispanic voters lured by Bush's amnesty program, which could put Arizona in play, and give a boost in Florida, and build a firewall in California.

	29-01-2004 21:57									#169
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Richardson looks good to me but I am not sure that Kerry would want him. I just don't know.

Yeah, you yanks just keep on thinging the war is over. Just keep thinking that.

	29-01-2004 22:42									#170
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The Dean campaign says it has $3 million, but that it owes $3 million that it must pay back. They've been running a lot of ads in the Feb 3, primary states, plus all the ads countering the Gephart attack ads in Iowa.


Isn't Richardson a Republican?

	29-01-2004 23:26									#171
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quote: Isn't Richardson a Republican?

no

How often do primary opponents team up on a ticket?

	29-01-2004 23:31									#172
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quote: Originally posted by Drogue I can see the Dems nominating Hillary in 2008, but I can't see her winning. I think she's too left to be electable

Hillary isnt really that left, shes just the bete noire of the right, largely cause she said "mean" things about Reagan and Bush sr in '92, which the right thought were hypocritical, cause they didnt like her persona, and cause they resented her saving clinton from the gennifer flowers scandal. etc etc.

On policy shes a good new democrat. Supported the Iraq war, and has been more consistent in that support since than say Kerry has been. Yeah she pushed national health insurance, but so did most Dems in '93. There were some moderate plans floating about, but there were reasonable policy critiques of those alternatives.

In reality the only current dem candidate whose clearly to Hilarys "right" is Lieberman. Shes certainly not farther left than Kerry or Gore.

	29-01-2004 23:44									#173
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quote: Originally posted by Sava no How often do primary opponents team up on a ticket?

Rarely, but it does happen.

	30-01-2004 01:59									#174
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Wow... I was floored when I heard Dean's campaign is broke (and they changed campaign managers). Yikes... it's not going well for Dean.

Oh, and there is NO WAY Gore will be Veep again. And it'll have to be someone more associated with the South or West, and more likely a governor type, IMO. I think two Senators on the ticket may be a bit risky (and tempting fate ).

	30-01-2004 02:11									#175
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I'm always pleased to oblige, Imran -- you can send me some money later for leaking this to you.

	30-01-2004 02:14									#176
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I didn't hear it first from you, Funboy .

In fact I was about to start my own thread on it until I saw it had been posted here.

	30-01-2004 02:58									#177
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I didn't hear it first from you, Funboy . In fact I was about to start my own thread on it until I saw it had been posted here.

YOU LIE

	30-01-2004 07:24									#178
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Think, Kennedy-Johnson.

Two senators.

Two bitter campaign rivals in the 1960 presidentia lnomination race.

One was a Northerner who sounded like a "Conservative." The other was a Southerner who ended up being a strong Liberal.

	30-01-2004 07:46									#179
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EDWARDS-KERRY! WOOHOO! GO EDDIE!

	30-01-2004 15:04									#180
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Mr.Mitchell, Don't you have that backwards?