29-01-2004 23:25									#1
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quote: MIAMI, Florida (AP) -- Four gay men lost a federal challenge Wednesday to the only blanket state law banning homosexuals from adopting children, a statute passed at the height of Anita Bryant's anti-homosexual campaign. The 11th U.S. Circuit Court of Appeals ruled against the men, who are foster parents seeking to adopt children in their care despite the 1977 law. "Obviously we're crushed," said Paul Cates with the American Civil Liberties Union's Lesbian and Gay Rights Project. Florida is the only state in the nation with a complete ban on adoption by gays, whether married or single. The law linked to the movement led by Bryant has withstood several challenges in state court. Florida argued the state has a right to legislate its "moral disapproval of homosexuality" and its belief that children need a married parent for healthy development. "We exercise great caution when asked to take sides in an ongoing public policy debate," Judge Stanley Birch wrote in the unanimous decision by the three-judge panel. "Any argument that the Florida Legislature was misguided in its decision is one of legislative policy, not constitutional law." Mathew Staver, president of Liberty Counsel, a conservative civil liberties legal group, hailed the decision. "In this age of judicial activism, it is refreshing to see a court assume its proper role and allow the people to set family policy," he said. An after-hours call to the attorney who argued the state's case was not immediately returned. The decision comes as states react to court rulings favoring gay marriage and a Supreme Court decision in June striking down laws criminalizing gay sex. "We think the court is wrong in thinking that the Constitution lets the government assume that sexual orientation has anything to do with good parenting," the ACLU's Cates said. The ACLU expects to take at least a week before deciding how to proceed. It could ask the full appeals court to consider the issue. Edward Schiappa, a University of Minnesota law professor who follows gay rights issues, believes the case is destined for Supreme Court review next year. He believes the state will have a hard time defending the law there because of its inconsistent policy allowing gay foster parents while banning gay adoptive parents. "This has become an extraordinarily hot political button," he said.

This is ridiculous and I certainly hope it goes to the supreme court and gets overturned.

	29-01-2004 23:27									#2
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Florida better ship all those single-parent kid off to the orphanage ASAP... for their "healthy development", of course.

	29-01-2004 23:28									#3
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quote: Florida argued the state has a right to legislate its "moral disapproval of homosexuality" and its belief that children need a married parent for healthy development.

The state does not have the right to discriminate against people... that's like saying... "the state has a right to legislate it's 'moral dissapproval of African Americans'".

Equality under law... what don't these gay hating bigotted ****s understand about this?

	29-01-2004 23:32									#4
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But if we let gay people adopt kids, those kids might get teased! We don't want those kids' feelings to get hurt! Quick, we'd better legislate so this doesn't happen!

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Actually, it was the 11th Circuit, Federal courts. The law dates back to 1977, when Anita Bryant led her anti-gay crusade here, ****ing *****.

One wonders why, if Florida morally disapproves of homosexuality, that it allows gay people to be foster parents.

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Bite my ass, Spinky.

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I have already sworn to do violence to Spink, should we ever meet in person.

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quote: Florida courts: "You gay people can't adopt children"

	29-01-2004 23:45									#11
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che: aw be nice to him... I pity him. He's really scared. Scared of gays, number 1, but scared that his world is changed.... that his own bigotry is becoming less popular...

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Playing devils advocate, is their any study on children raised by gay foster parents.

Are they more prone to being gay themselves, or being succeptable to crime or other things.

I have never heard of any.

	29-01-2004 23:47									#13
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"You gay people can't adopt children"

	29-01-2004 23:47									#14
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Playing devils advocate, is their any study on children raised by gay foster parents. Are they more prone to being gay themselves, or being succeptable to crime or other things. I have never heard of any.

personally, if it meant more gay people, that might be good... less well-groomed pretty boys taking away the hot women.

	29-01-2004 23:48									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Playing devils advocate, is their any study on children raised by gay foster parents.

Yup, and they turn out just as well as kids from any two parent family.

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Playing devils advocate, is their any study on children raised by gay foster parents. Are they more prone to being gay themselves, or being succeptable to crime or other things. I have never heard of any.

None that I've herad of. I highly doubt it is so. However, in the event that someone did discover this it would be lauded by one side, and torn apart by the other- which, come to think of it, would make it a well known study, so that should answer your question.

	29-01-2004 23:52									#17
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I said it before, and I'll say it again:

There is no one on Earth more in need of a blowjob than Spinky.

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quote: Originally posted by Sava The state does not have the right to discriminate against people... that's like saying... "the state has a right to legislate it's 'moral dissapproval of African Americans'". Equality under law... what don't these gay hating bigotted ****s understand about this?

Actually you are wrong here. I'm not saying I approve of the state's position. I am saying that under current law their is nothing illegal about thier position.

In Florida, sexual orientation is not a special protected class against discrimination. Race is. Along with color, religion, sex, national origin, age, handicap, marital status or familial status. Federal law recogmizes even fewer protected classes then Florida Law so I doubt the Supreme Court would overturn this case or even hear it .

I think if you read the judges decision, they are basically saying the same thing. They are not endorsing the law (remember judges don't make law the legislature does) they are just saying the law is not unconstitutional.

	30-01-2004 00:09									#19
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Yup, and they turn out just as well as kids from any two parent family.

Can you provide a source.

Everything I've ever heard said the optimal family condition is a mother and father. I recognize not all situations are that way. I also recognize that alot of people who grow up in different situations then the "optimal" turn out OK. I just seriously doubt that a legitimate study has concluded that being raised by adopted gay parents is equivalent to being raised by an adopted mother and father.

You know what I really find ironic about your position che? You once argued that it was better for black children to be adopted by black parents then white parents because white parents couldn't teach the child as well what it meant to be black. (I'm definietly paraphrasing here but that was the gist of it) And i said it shoudln't matter.

	30-01-2004 00:10									#20
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Stewie... what were you told about your anti gay crap...
And everybody else... stop the personal crap. I have no problem restricting the bunch of you...

	30-01-2004 00:16									#21
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude You know what I really find ironic about your position che? You once argued that it was better for black children to be adopted by black parents then white parents because white parents couldn't teach the child as well what it meant to be black. (I'm definietly paraphrasing here but that was the gist of it) And i said it shoudln't matter.

How is that ironic? White people don't have the experience of growing up black. So they can't teach them this. OTOH the child of a gay couple will either be straight or bi/gay. They can teach them about being gay, but if the child is straight no extra coaching is needed.

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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude Can you provide a source.

Nope, it's just something I saw somewhere over the years.

quote: You know what I really find ironic about your position che? You once argued that it was better for black children to be adopted by black parents then white parents because white parents couldn't teach the child as well what it meant to be black. (I'm definietly paraphrasing here but that was the gist of it) And i said it shoudln't matter.

There is a difference between a member of an oppressed minority being raised by someone who has no experience dealing with those issues and a member of an oppressed minority raising a child who doesn't have to deal with those issues. Gay parents would be able to help a gay child deal with the experienes of growing up gay far better than straight parents would, but they would be equaly capable of raising straight kids, since most likely they themselves were raised by straight people in the straight community.

The studies which show children do best raised in a family with a mother and father were looking at two-parent v. one-parent families. Obviously a children will do better in a familiy with a provider and a care giver.

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quote: Originally posted by Theben How is that ironic? White people don't have the experience of growing up black. So they can't teach them this. OTOH the child of a gay couple will either be straight or bi/gay. They can teach them about being gay, but if the child is straight no extra coaching is needed.

So you would racially discriminate against adoptive parents but not consider thier sexual orientation.

	30-01-2004 00:28									#24
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quote: Originally posted by Deity Dude So you would racially discriminate against adoptive parents but not consider thier sexual orientation.

There is a difference between saying I don't think something should be and disallowing it. I don't think whites should adopt Black children, but I wouldn't prohibit it.

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quote: Originally posted by Ming Stewie... what were you told about your anti gay crap... And everybody else... stop the personal crap. I have no problem restricting the bunch of you...

Why not just go ahead and be done with it to do us decent people a favor??

	30-01-2004 01:17									#26
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Because I'm not attacking anyone or being anti-gay. THis is a good policy, which is fully supported.

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And Ming, it is time you started to crack down on personal attacks as well, and stopped being so biased.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I have already sworn to do violence to Spink, should we ever meet in person.

And just what the **** kind of violence do you think your whipped marshmallow ass is capable of, exactly?

As for stew the bigot - his comments thus far are tame and deserving of equal voice, regardless of irrational basis. Ming: you simply can't tell him what basic beliefs he can and can't express while in good behavior.

and yeah - the title isn't at all a fairy spin. "You gay people can't adopt children". Gee - post secondary institutions these days seem to have taken quite a bit of emphasis away from teaching "how not to be a fraudulant hack" in over teaching the hi-jacked "tolerance"

	30-01-2004 01:40									#29
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quote: Originally posted by Zylka And just what the **** kind of violence do you think your whipped marshmallow ass is capable of, exactly?

Could crack your 110 lb. girly-man frame in half.

	30-01-2004 01:44									#30
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quote: Originally posted by Theben Could crack your 110 lb. girly-man frame in half.

Pushing 185 :-)

And would he be using some form of giant nutcracker?? I'm under current impression those skin colored sacks of jello known as "his arms" would be having tough enough a time to flip that hardbound manifesto!

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