02-02-2004 21:53									#31
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This is ridiculous. To not use a wild card, I'm going to have to slow down to speed one. Why did all the new players get a better start?

	02-02-2004 22:10									#32
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not even going to bother PMing my next round since it doesn't matter, so I'll just post it. right break.

And for the next round same thing.. right break.

Now doesn't that sound stupid? Three turns in moving at speed one. And I'll probably get hit. And don't give me that you'll be happy to be in last crap. If my only chance is that EVERYONE else crashes, I'm not interested.

Next time design a stinking track that has a little more straightaway wide to let people jocky for position at the beginning. This one sucks.

	02-02-2004 22:41									#33
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Orders sent for round one.

rah, we did a reverse start positions, aka what better you drived in last game, the more awhul place you have.

	02-02-2004 22:50									#34
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Rasputin wasn't even in that game and he got a good starting point. So didn't give me that.

	03-02-2004 02:46									#35
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Rah, I'm not too pleased with my start either, but hey... winning from here is just more impressive.

-Jam

	03-02-2004 03:03									#36
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rah: Use a wildcard. I understand you're annoyance, you're start position is the worse than mine, and I've got the other outside. However it's what the wildcards are for. IMHO, the front runners will all hit each other, unless you can get right out infront (like Jamski). Along with the oil slicks (that I think are a bad idea, someone going off and crashing just because they are in the lead) it could be a blessing in disguise.

With one wildcard, you can have the next turn at speed 3, and the one after at 4.

	03-02-2004 03:36									#37
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Turn 2 orders sent

-Jam

	03-02-2004 03:43									#38
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And the turn after that? And the odds are I would be hit since that path is needed by others on the outside. It should at least come down to luck when we bunch up.

No, it's not fair that other people can use a wild card to get a jump start, while some have to use them just to make the first turn. If the starting line had been pushed back 5 pips, there wouldn't be an issues. Or if we had all started at speed 0.

This blessing in disguise, I don't buy either. This means I have to run a perfect race and hope for someone else to screw up. I know that certain starting spots will haven an advantage, but these aren't even close.
Prior I was thinking strat on when to use the WC, at the begining to get a good start or later to catch up. I will be able to do neither.

More thought could have been put into this.

	03-02-2004 03:50									#39
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Just wait for everyone to crash on the first narrow bit, then power past, rah

-Jam

	03-02-2004 04:04									#40
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Round 1 sent, round two a little bit later...

	03-02-2004 07:03									#41
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For the record, the opening track was expanded significantly compared to the last game to give those on the outside edge more chance. You are right though, that first bend really does kill any chances you may have. I propose that we magically straighten out this part of the track so everyone has at least some chance. As this change doesn't affect anyone who has posted their 2nd round orders, you can now consider this officially done.

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	03-02-2004 07:13									#42
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Looks good

	03-02-2004 10:40									#43
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sorry Rah, dont pick on me, i a newbie so i need a good starting point.. as it was i though ti was in your spot and posted my orders accordingly .. but dont matter

2nd turn orders pmed now too

	03-02-2004 13:21									#44
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Looks good to me too

-Jam

	03-02-2004 14:33									#45
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Orders sent

	03-02-2004 15:50									#46
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Orders for round 2 sent...

	03-02-2004 19:30									#47
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I really don't see much difference, can you just move the starting line back 4 spaces?

And not picking on you Ras, you were just the most obvious example.

	03-02-2004 19:35									#48
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rah: it means there's one less bit o the bend. You could do 3-2-3 in speed and not use a wildcard. It also means you're start is now identical to mine Sure, we're at a slight disadvantage to those inside us (all of whome can accelerate every turn and not go off) but with one wildcard we're equal to them. I personally don't see it as much of a problem, but I can understand that it isn't the fairest of starts. However with first and some second round orders in, I think moving the start line back a bit isn't the best idea. Sure, it'd be better to start like that next time, but I'd see what happens first here.

	03-02-2004 19:40									#49
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You don't need a wide finish, so it makes sense just to move the starting line back. While I'm doing this for fun, I was hoping that the start would at least have the illusion of being fair. This doesn't even come close. It makes no sense to have to burn a precious WC just to end up behind the pack.

And since the first bend is right, your position (while bad) is still better than mine.

	03-02-2004 19:42									#50
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Why? Even though the bend is right, it is just as short a route taking the outside as it is taking the inside, looking at the track. We are both an identical number of dots from the top line on Skanky's pic. What the first bend is doesn't matter, since there is no point in taking the inside on this track, as it is always straight in the end.

	03-02-2004 19:52									#51
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I dissagree, anyone on the right side of the track where it narrows will be able to take the first turn faster without burning wild cards.

	04-02-2004 04:02									#52
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I sent in my round 2 orders this morning, I just forgot to mention it...

	04-02-2004 04:05									#53
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Who are we still waiting for for round one?

	04-02-2004 04:14									#54
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Judging from the front page, it looks like we're still waiting on Frozzy...

	04-02-2004 04:49									#55
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vrooooom vroooooom

	04-02-2004 07:55									#56
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For round 2, we are still waiting on orders from Pave.
Finalising results from round 1 now.

	04-02-2004 08:06									#57
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I nominate Rah to design the next track.

Last edited by Skanky Burns on 04-02-2004 at 13:17

	04-02-2004 13:31									#58
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Spaced hit an oil-slick and moved 1 square to the left.
Rasputin and ADG were involved in a collision, as were Drogue and alva.

Drogue and ADG have a speed of 2, while Rasputin and alva are currently sitting there at 0 speed.

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	04-02-2004 15:54									#59
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So we round down the halving of speed for collisions, when you're in front? I knew I had to get the orders in before alva in order to only lose half. Nice way of braking for corners though

Have you got speeds and wildcards left please?

	04-02-2004 15:56									#60
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Orders sent Actually scrap that. Orders being changed.