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Berzerker
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topeka, kansas,USA
May 1999
time: 23:33
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I think that the assaertion that 'abstinence has been ignored' will sound absurd to catholics. |
We were talking about US policy, true? The Pope and the US government are not the same thing. Public schools don't pay much attention to abstinance and Bush and many of his supporters apparently want to change that.
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Regarding out of wedlock birth rates this is not in itself a problem. many people are choosing out of their own free will to have children out of wedlock. Also i suspect many married women have abortions. |
You don't think it's a problem? The greatest determinant for poverty is out of wedlock births, and in this society, that is an incentive for more abortions.
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You are not responsible either way. However I just thought it approriate to lay bare the, to me evident, contradiction in the Bush policy of actively preventing abortions. |
If it isn't my responsibility, why are you effectively accusing me of killing 3rd world women? And you still haven't shown that Bush is actively preventing abortions anywhere.
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It invalidates Bush's claim to be the defender of freedom on so many levels. |
He's either a liar or ignorant, but so what? Liberals claim to believe in freedom and they're full of it too.
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Firstly the freedom of women is taken away. |
Killing human beings is not a freedom.
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Secondly the freedom of organisations to push the abortion issue is taken away. |
Why? Because Bush might have reduced the increase in family planning? Sheesh! If you don't get my money via government to do whatever it is you want, am I taking away your freedom? You seem to think freedom means we get, no, need to steal ("legally") from each other and a cessation of that stealing means we've lost our freedom.
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Lastly the freedom of the American taxpayer is taken away, when any new administration can levy taxes to pay for questionable policy aims. |
Yeah, Mr Champion of the American taxpayer wants us to pay for abortions all over the world and if we refuse we must despise women. 
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Tripledoc
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Originally posted by Ben Kenobi
As for women controlling their own bodies, we do not dispute that, but rather, we dispute that their child is part of their own body. |
I would be interested to know if you could back that up.
Take an example of a woman who is depressed, probably becasue of the stupidity of comservative men, and she decides to commit suicide. Unknowingly she is also pregnant. She jumps off a bridge and she, and the child, is killed.
This to me means that if the pregnant woman dies, usually the child dies too. This means that the proposition that embryos are not part if the woman's body rests on very shaky ground. It is the female body which preserves and feeds the new life inside her. Without the comfort of the womb the new life would not survive.
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Tripledoc
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Originally posted by Q Cubed
oh, something about women? i dunno, there seem to be plenty of conservatives at the school who are more gentlemanly than the liberals. |
Yes, but does a 'gentlemanly behavior' towards women not take it for granted that women are weak? That they can't take care of themselves. Is this 'gentlemanly behavior' then not very arrogant and superior. it is based on a feeling that men should distance themselves from women.
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Tripledoc
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Originally posted by Berzerker
Public schools don't pay much attention to abstinance and Bush and many of his supporters apparently want to change that.
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So a greater attention to abstinence (does the fundamentalists want to turn the US into a monestary?) will be the policy at the expense of more useful sexual education? At the same time saying that masturbation is a viable alternative to sexual intercourse is not considered in accordance with the political mainstream. I remember a US general surgeon who was fired because of saying precisely that. Moreover teaching abstinence at the expense of contraception will surely mean a spread in sexual diseases. Finally this new policy will surely hit randomly. I can imagine that in more resourceful families the parents will explain how the children should protect themselves.
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VJ
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Helsinki
Dec 2001
time: 07:33
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Finland wasn't a country in 1906. It was part of the Russian Empire. Try again. |
http://www.eduskunta.fi/historia/eng/index_3.htm
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A committee headed by Professor Robert Hermanson was commissioned to draft the new Parliament Act. The committee convened for the first time in December 1905. The unicameral Parliament was approved in principle on the following day. However, the committee considered dividing Parliament into departments. After a number of phases, the idea of departmental divisions was abandoned and replaced by a Grand Committee of 45 members.
The fundamental decision of granting women the vote was also taken in December. It was agreed that the number of members of Parliament would be two hundred. In January, the majority of the committee approved a proposal to divide the country into election districts. According to the proposal, each election district would be entitled to select a minimum of 12 and a maximum of 21 members of Parliament, depending on the population. The votes would be counted in accordance with the Belgian d´Hondt rule. The majority of the committee proposed that women should be granted the right to vote. The parliamentary reform committee completed its work at the end of February.
The Senate, that is the government of the country, appointed its own committee to monitor the work of the parliamentary reform committee for a month before the final report was completed. The committee processed the senator committee's proposal for a new Parliament Act and Electoral Act on 5 March. The voting age and age of qualification was acknowledged to be 24 years. |
Parliament, called "eduskunta, was formed in 1906. It had the supreme power considering domestic politics.
If we only count "independent countries", then it would be Finland -- > 1917 (Somehow, I can't recall any elections held in USSR).
Last edited by VJ on 02-02-2004 at 21:41
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Ben Kenobi
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McGregornobi!
Oct 2002
time: 21:33
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Yes, but does a 'gentlemanly behavior' towards women not take it for granted that women are weak? That they can't take care of themselves. Is this 'gentlemanly behavior' then not very arrogant and superior. it is based on a feeling that men should distance themselves from women.
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Ask women. They seem to like being treated this way, as a sign of respect.
I actually had this question come up a few days ago, with two good female friends of mine. We were all walking back from the coffee shop, and I had to take a bus home, and they had to go back to my old dorm. I offered to walk them back, and they both asked me why I would think that way.
One of the ladies can lift me, I know because she tried. Of course it helps that I am pretty small. I told her that I offered, because that is how I was raised, to offer the courtesy to women, and not because I thought they could not handle themselves.
Maybe I'm old fashioned, but the women I know all appreciate chivalry.
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Q Cubed
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t3h y3ll0w p3ril
Apr 1999
time: 23:33
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i still don't like the vietnamese flag. they just haven't the foggiest what makes a good flag, do they? red bars on yellow fields, or yellow star on red field? ick.
but by the way, tripledoc, thanks for teaching me the great truth of it all. because men showing any sort of respect for women, like holding the door open for them when it's frigid cold, or covering the pizza order 'cause it's damn cold and she doesn't want to go to the atm, or helping them home after they get absolutely hammered is merely another form of masculine dominance over femininity and secretly shows hatred of all womankind, men should stop being nice to women and always be *******s.
but if men aren't nice to women, they're evil *******s.
ah, **** it. i don't know what to believe anymore. boys are stupid and we should throw rocks at them.
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yavoon
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left wingers are self loathing, thats why they need to spend everyone else's money to make them feel better
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02-02-2004 10:14
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