02-02-2004 23:41									#91
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quote: I come of as "granola", or so my mom says. So, everyone thinks I am some leftist hippie.

Same here. Unless you catch me in my suit on Sundays, I dress more like a hippy than a businessman.

	02-02-2004 23:41									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc I have noted here, and in real life, that generally rightwingers have a problem with women...

This is a sweeping generalisation that encourages stereotypes. Forget it, it's a blind alley.

quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc ... do you think that feminism is a good cause?

Yes, when balanced out with the needs of men - how about equality of sexes being a better cause?

quote: Originally posted by Tripledoc I have trouble in understanding the anti-feminist stance of the right. Please explain.

In general, CERTAIN members of the right feel a need to be identified with "traditional" values, ie women for breeding, cooking and cleaning only.

Try that line in my neighbourhood and you'll be looking for your teeth.

	02-02-2004 23:44									#93
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quote: oh, and you had no idea huh? MrFun I freak ppl out all the time. I come of as "granola", or so my mom says. So, everyone thinks I am some leftist hippie. Just the other month a friend for about 4 years learned that I was a Republican and she about lost it. She went on a tirade about "how can YOU be a repub"? I just smiled and told her I don't talk about politics much, and I am not about to with someone acting like her... She added that she didn't normally get along with republicans, only to have husband tell her that he was one!!! It was like everyone came out of the closet at once!

goddamn i usually don't get along with anybody who is a party member all youse are like those red party members or the national socialist party members or the ingsoc party members rabid fools the lot of yuo!!!!!!!!!111111111

	02-02-2004 23:49									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Perhapse it is the left wingers that loathe women since most gay men are lefties

I don't know. However it just seems to me that anti-abortionists do not have very much concern for the safety of women.

If I would make a psychological case, then maybe it is that conservative men in some ways subliminally think themselves more important to the reproductive process than they really are. However we must accept that the initial 'investment' a man makes in the reproductive process is indefinately smaller than what the woman invests over a long time afterwards. Should the woman then not have the 'majority vote' in deciding what the outcome of this investment should be. Otherwise it seems to me that conservative men are self-contradictory in their support of Capitalism.

	02-02-2004 23:51									#95
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it seems to me that leftists, who think that empowering women means that they should do their own damn stuff instead of just being nice to them care little for their common man and are being lazy, selfish bastards.

	02-02-2004 23:51									#96
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i still don't like that vietnamese flag.

	02-02-2004 23:56									#97
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quote: However it just seems to me that anti-abortionists do not have very much concern for the safety of women.

What about the children that are women? At least 50% of aborted pregnancies would of been women

Personally, I am not anti-abortion. Yet, if you want to attack republicans merely for abortion issues you WILL find Repubs on both sides of the fence (same for dems). Saying that the mans donation to the creation of child is significantly less is than that of the womans is a poor argument. If we are going to measure worth of a vote, or who gets the "majority vote", based on the amount of time one puts into something than we should count all votes accordingly.... Those who pay less in taxes will have their vote weighted accordingly on bond measures.

Conservative men, wow you really are targeting a group, are not self-contradictory in their support of Capitalism because capitalism has nothing to do with abortions! Besides, you still can't assign the worth of a contribution in such away. The minute you start assigning value and "ownership" to a child you advocate slavery.

Stupid troll.

	02-02-2004 23:58									#98
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why don't we ask exterminators about what to do with babies and abortions? babies are parasites, after all, feeding off the host that is the poor unwilling woman, because we all know that no empowered woman would really ever want to subject herself to such a debilitating condition.

	02-02-2004 23:59									#99
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in fact, all sex is rape. it's the unwilling intrusion by a male appendage into the region that is the woman's sacred holy place that is beyond reproach! even when her mouth says yes, her eyes say no!

	02-02-2004 23:59									#100
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I have no opinion on the Vietnamese flag.

	03-02-2004 00:00									#101
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i still don't like it.

	03-02-2004 00:04									#102
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When I said 'majority vote' I meant as in a stock company. The one who made the largests investment gets to decide.

I am not trying to boil the issue into humans acting as robots. However I think a rational case, based on the ideology of Capitalism, can be made for taking a pro-choice stance. Anyway I think there is a contradiction.

	03-02-2004 00:09									#103
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quote: Originally posted by VJ If we only count "independent countries", then it would be Finland -- > 1917 (Somehow, I can't recall any elections held in USSR).

Yes, we are only counting independent countries. Non-independent countries are not countries, they are provinces. And if we were counting provinces, then the American West would be the first place women got the vote, as stated in BK's post to which I was originally responding.

The fact you can't recall any elections held in the USSR (which didn't exist until the 1920s) doesn't mean they didn't take place. I can't recall you being born, but I am sure it happened since you are pestering me.

Finnish independence was recognized in Dec (or late Novermber) 1917, one month after the Soviets abolished the Provisional government. Given that Finland was part of that revolution, it's a quibble to argue which country granted women the right to vote first, as at the time women were granted the right to vote, Finland was still technically part of Russia.

	03-02-2004 00:15									#104
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quote: When I said 'majority vote' I meant as in a stock company

The child would then be like an IPO... Guess what, when you invest in an IPO you can't sell for 2 years, no matter how much you invested.

Having a child is a choice, not an accident... ever... unless it's a crime. It is a choice by two people. We just want people to take responsibility for their actions, their choices... that is very capitalistic.

	03-02-2004 00:32									#105
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IPO means Initial Public Offering. A child is not offered to the public. A child is the result of a consentual agreement between two private parties in which the woman has invested the most.

The state then actually oversteps on two levels. Firstly it intrudes on the family unit. Then it intrudes on the woman.

	03-02-2004 00:41									#106
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I think a child is like a box of chocolate. its cheap to buy but u end up feeling the effects for a long time.

	03-02-2004 00:43									#107
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quote: IPO means Initial Public Offering. A child is not offered to the public. A child is the result of a consentual agreement between two private parties in which the woman has invested the most.

Your the one who compared it to buying a stock.

quote: The state then actually oversteps on two levels. Firstly it intrudes on the family unit. Then it intrudes on the woman.

I agree, I am pro-choice.

	03-02-2004 00:46									#108
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when analogies go terribly wrong

	03-02-2004 01:09									#109
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erm, the first Female Prime Minister in Britain was (you guessed it) A CONSERVATIVE.

Not to mention that there are probable more gay men on Tory back benches then in the rest of parliament combined.


To say that the right is 'sexist' s pure arrogance.


Incidentaly, a (femminist) friend of mine left the SOCIALIST workers party BECAUSE it side lined women.

	03-02-2004 04:12									#110
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quote: Originally posted by Japher oh, and you had no idea huh? MrFun I freak ppl out all the time. I come of as "granola", or so my mom says. So, everyone thinks I am some leftist hippie. Just the other month a friend for about 4 years learned that I was a Republican and she about lost it. She went on a tirade about "how can YOU be a repub"? I just smiled and told her I don't talk about politics much, and I am not about to with someone acting like her... She added that she didn't normally get along with republicans, only to have husband tell her that he was one!!! It was like everyone came out of the closet at once!

Well, I have to admit, I get along with you much better than with some other right-wingers on here.

Maybe it's only because you don't participate in as many debate threads as others do?? Oh well -- let's not ruin a good thing.

	03-02-2004 04:16									#111
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quote: The state then actually oversteps on two levels. Firstly it intrudes on the family unit. Then it intrudes on the woman.

The state does intrude when it has compelling public interest. The protection of children from abuse is one such compelling public interest. Therefore, privacy is not really the issue here.

	03-02-2004 05:30									#112
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Tripledoc, why don't ya switch to a DPRK flag and see how Q^3 likes it?

	03-02-2004 05:46									#113
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quote: Originally posted by Japher So, everyone thinks I am some leftist hippie. Just the other month a friend for about 4 years learned that I was a Republican and she about lost it. She went on a tirade about "how can YOU be a repub"? I just smiled and told her I don't talk about politics much, and I am not about to with someone acting like her... She added that she didn't normally get along with republicans, only to have husband tell her that he was one!!! It was like everyone came out of the closet at once!

Not very perceptive, huh. Maybe she should switch to marijuana-free brownies.

Vietnamese flag sucks. All flags suck. Finland sucks. People should throw rocks at them.

And does anyone else think that Sprayber has gotten way too sappy lately?

I think that covers all the topics in this thread. What was the title again?

	03-02-2004 05:53									#114
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quote: So a greater attention to abstinence (does the fundamentalists want to turn the US into a monestary?) will be the policy at the expense of more useful sexual education?

You don't have to be monastic to understand that it's generally bad for a young, unmarried woman to start having children before leaving high school/college. And if "sex education" has been so wonderful, we would see a decline in out of wedlock birth rates, not a massive increase.

quote: At the same time saying that masturbation is a viable alternative to sexual intercourse is not considered in accordance with the political mainstream.

Viable or not, telling young people how to have sex and not focusing on what can happen if they adopt a more promiscuous lifestyle is a recipe for disaster.

quote: I remember a US general surgeon who was fired because of saying precisely that. Moreover teaching abstinence at the expense of contraception will surely mean a spread in sexual diseases.

Why? If the abstinance message convinces some people to show some restraint, fewer people would be exposed to STD's.
If you say it won't convince anyone, you have to explain the rise in out of wedlock birth rates accompanying "sex education" and the elimination or reduction of the abstinance message.

quote: I can imagine that in more resourceful families the parents will explain how the children should protect themselves.

Would that include a message about abstinance? Are you a parent? Any children in the 13-19 age range? Do you tell them to run around having sex all they want as long as they use contraception? I'm not a social conservative but some of their views are valid...

	03-02-2004 05:59									#115
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quote: Originally posted by VJ Finland. 1906.

New Zealand, 1893.

	03-02-2004 06:58									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor New Zealand, 1893.

Wyoming Territory 1869

	03-02-2004 07:28									#117
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quote: Still even in the most progressive countries women earn less than men.

Qualify that because most stats prove that wrong...

	03-02-2004 07:36									#118
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor New Zealand, 1893.

Was New Zealand a country then? When did NZ get it's independence?

	03-02-2004 08:03									#119
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http://www.cia.gov/cia/publications...ok/geos/nz.html

NZ was independant in 1907.

	03-02-2004 08:07									#120
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Curses, foiled again!