03-02-2004 07:25									#31
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	03-02-2004 07:54									#33
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Is this allowed? Googlie? Tassadar? Dammit... -Jam

We debated long and hard, but were guided by the 1958-61 union of Egypt and Syria in The United Arab Republic

see:

UAR: political union (1958-61) of Egypt and Syria . The capital was Cairo. The two countries were merged (1958) into a single unit comprising the Southern (Egypt) and the Northern (Syria) Regions, with Gamal Abdal Nasser as president. As an initial step toward creating a pan-Arab union, the republic abolished Syrian and Egyptian citizenship, termed its inhabitants Arabs, and called the country “Arab territory.”

So based on this precedent, the CC-PUT merger was approved

G.

	03-02-2004 07:55									#34
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I based my decision more on the Germanies.

	03-02-2004 09:39									#36
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar I based my decision more on the Germanies.

...explaination?

	03-02-2004 09:42									#37
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East and West Germany united just like CyCon and PUT.
But soon the "Germans" will want to become French, so they'll join the Pirates

(I'll give myself a 8/10...Managed to insult CyCon, PUT, PEACE, Germany, and Micha all at the same time )

Edit: Very stuble manipulation by your god, no?

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	03-02-2004 11:09									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Maniac Yes. I sent you a few PMs, but you hadn't read them yet a few days later, so I cancelled them

Really? When did you send them? I was away over the weekend, and when I came back I found three cancelled PMs in my inbox, but I never saw them before they were cancelled.

Anyway, I've applied to join the CyCon forums, and yes, whoever said that is quite correct, there isn't much to see in the PUT forums.

	03-02-2004 12:49									#39
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I really had two reasons for approving this merger.

1) I've had less and less time to play my turns recently, with my preperation for my year long student exchange to Japan, starting on the 1st of March.

2) I felt that I'd let down our team's members, and I wanted to make it up to them somehow. This allows them to get back into the thick of it again, if they should so choose, and be with many active roleplayers at the same time.

	03-02-2004 13:52									#40
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Sorry, does this mean that CyCon will be playing Uni turns???

That goes beyond pact-mates

-Jam

	03-02-2004 14:07									#41
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Ya. It means they've....unified

Stupid Jamski

	03-02-2004 14:23									#42
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quote: Originally posted by Comrade Tassadar Ya. It means they've....unified Stupid Jamski

Well a man would think that a normal person can remember the title of the thread. It is UNIFICATION ANNOUNCEMENT, not Pact announcement.

	03-02-2004 14:29									#43
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Voltaire. PEACEful intentions mean they want to attack everyone. This is basically a declaration of WAR on all other factions. -Jam

WRONG! This means that we just want to end the war with PEACE. (stupid Jamski +1)

We want peaceful cooperation with Hive and Drones.

	03-02-2004 14:32									#44
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quote: Originally posted by Voltaire Speaking on behalf of the Human Hive I will take you to your word. You can be assured that the Hive will not initiate conflict with the CyCon. We hope that our relations will continue to be as smooth has they always have been.

I am glad that we can cooperate.

	03-02-2004 14:40									#45
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Because if CyUni now PWN the PEACE, then the Drones and Hive will be forced into an alliance to END THE WORLD!!!! You have formed a CyUni superpower that is currently eating another faction. That's why the hostility -Jam

You are once again alone in your insanity. Doesn`t seem that your faction thinks so.
Poor Jamski

	04-02-2004 03:18									#47
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Sorry, but PUT are letting the CyCon play the PUT turn for them?

This stinks.

-Jam

	04-02-2004 03:31									#48
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Jamski makes good points. If you are now one unified grouping a la Germany a la Arab state, then you don't need two turns.

Also PUT were at Vendetta with the Drones, so are the cycon at vendetta with the Drones, with all the ramifications for the cycon and the Hive that that has.

It seems to me you are two factions in a super pact but not one unified faction.

As two factions it is possible in a future time for the two constituent parts to go their separate ways (or in your view is that not now possible). New members might join your combined state but if/when there is split (it can happen) where do they go or by what criteria do they choose.

However, if you are a single entity ( not a federation), then you must engineer the take over of presumably, the PUT bases by Cyborg units or vice versa, the Cycon bases by PUT personnel.

So, IMO, despite your protestations you simply are a super pact. No harm in that, it's allowed: a two state federation.

However if you are as you claim 'united' then both parts should have similar SE settings etc and one voice.

A big question is, Is the unification process reversible (but prove how it is reversible - who can vote, rather than simply saying yes or no)? If it is then you can have two turns but not two different foreign policies.

If it is irreversible, then yes, you are one faction, therefore one turn and some one faction of your pairing has too dissolve.

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	04-02-2004 03:39									#49
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Yeah, Hercules is right. There are quite some things that need to be discussed...

	04-02-2004 05:10									#50
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quote: However if you are as you claim 'united' then both parts should have similar SE settings etc and one voice.

Not really.
Hong Kong and China are one, however...Hong Kong runs Democratic/Free Market/Wealth/None while China runs Police State/Planned/Power/None.

The way I see it, the PUT has become a CyCon vassal just as Poland was a Soviet vassal. Not officially a part of it, but sharing nearly everything.
Except PUT is willing
So they will play seperate turns, and they will be considered as one. That is my ruling.
Also....On the question of irreverisibility.....I rule that it is not reversable unless both sides agree to the breaking.

Deal.

	04-02-2004 08:48									#51
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Sorry, but PUT are letting the CyCon play the PUT turn for them? This stinks. -Jam

	04-02-2004 14:01									#52
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Sorry, but PUT are letting the CyCon play the PUT turn for them? This stinks. -Jam

	04-02-2004 14:04									#53
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PUT are letting us play their turn but since all our decisions are open for discussion they can also be a part of it. What I mean is that they can suggest anything and we will listen to their suggestions. They are currently "vassals" by choice.

	04-02-2004 16:48									#54
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quote: Not really. Hong Kong and China are one, however...Hong Kong runs Democratic/Free Market/Wealth/None while China runs Police State/Planned/Power/None. The way I see it, the PUT has become a CyCon vassal just as Poland was a Soviet vassal. Not officially a part of it, but sharing nearly everything. Except PUT is willing So they will play seperate turns, and they will be considered as one. That is my ruling. Also....On the question of irreverisibility.....I rule that it is not reversable unless both sides agree to the breaking. Deal.

If it is your ruling then I am concerned.

You have not answered the vendetta question. Second, if former PUT members decided to go their own away in the future, as it is a voluntary initiative by PUT, they should be allowed to do so.

Anyhow from what you say I gather they are really just a humdrum permi pact.

	04-02-2004 17:03									#55
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quote: Anyhow from what you say I gather they are really just a humdrum permi pact.

In a perma-pact you don't have both turns being played by the same person. The CyUni basically have two turns per year now, while the other factions only get one.

Sucks

-Jam

	04-02-2004 17:41									#56
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Each unit can only move once. Each base only produces the standard amount each turn. Its not like there is any advantage to having two turns, other than the fact we have more to play with now.

	04-02-2004 22:24									#57
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I'm sure it would be useful in a war.

-Jam

	04-02-2004 22:28									#58
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Then you have to make sure we don't have to engage in a war.

	04-02-2004 22:32									#59
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quote: Then you have to make sure we don't have to engage in a war.

I'll do my very best, Miss Sophie

* Jamski winks and goes upstairs *

	04-02-2004 22:45									#60
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I'm quite sure it wouldn't, what with our new territories being quite unsuited to the rigours of war.
* Skanky Burns puts marbles on the stairs.