04-02-2004 06:40									#61
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Oh, from SR:

quote: Rob, shortly (it's getting late here): - We can send our forces down any time you wish, although not complete, but significantly strong. At the moment, we still need some of them as happiness guard. We had planned to go Anarchy as soon as the army leaves, but we can't afford it yet since we still need the production for at least three more turns. - We need Warrior code and Horseback Riding before you get the horses back, or else we can't upgrade our chariots. Since they can't be delivered in the same turn, that takes 2 turns. We're fine to pay them in gold (not making a debt), we have enough to afford it. - We can do without giving iron away, just continuing to build swordsmen the "hard way". It'll take longer, though. But you will need the iron for at least one turn. - We bring down workers with the troops to speed road building. No problem. Conclusion: If you want (just say so), we move our slowmovers south from next turn on. We can pile them up, say, somewhere at your southern border. It needs to be a roaded tile, since catapults can't enter jungle otherwise. Please send WC and HBR and tell your price (IIRC you already did) J.

I'll send WC accepted then. I will reply and fill him in on what we did. Shall we ask for their army to begin marching on T98?

-Arrian

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 06:43									#62
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quote: Originally posted by Arrian Sending WC to Python unaccepted. -Arrian

Do we want cash for it now? Construction is worth way more than Polytheism, I thought WC would be an offset on that.

	04-02-2004 06:50									#63
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If leaving Chateau de Loimbard, T98 would be the one to reach SF on T102, so Aye to that. The big day draws near. We'll soon need a chatroom, perhaps.

	04-02-2004 06:54									#64
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Hmm, we can work out the payment for WC later. I agree with you, though, that it's best if we package Polytheism, WC & HBR for Construction.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 06:57									#65
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Ok, all set for now except one thing: do we want to send republic to LL unaccepted?

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 07:03									#66
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From their message with the save (in LL log) they're after gold themselves. They've only got 9g, so all we'd be doing is demonstrating that we have republic, in a reciprocal display to their offering us Polytheism.

	04-02-2004 07:05									#67
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Right, true. That's the primary reason for offering it, actually.

I wonder what they're researching. Could it be rep?

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 07:08									#68
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A quick point. Mandrill only costs 14g to investigate. If we wanted to see what their slider settings are at any point before the war, that might be an option.

Also, Monkey are not exactly falling over themselves replying to our offer on Republic. Only 8 turns to go!

	04-02-2004 07:11									#69
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I think Monkey are gearing up for war. They certainly have a pile of vet Numidians.

Good idea about Mandrill. We should keep that in mind, for 'round about T101.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 07:12									#70
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I'm drafting a diplo message to MZ.

Here is what I've written so far:

quote: MZ & Team Latin Lover, Hola from Izzardia! Cake or Death? I'd suggest the Cake, it's actually quite nice and it appears we have 1 piece left. Don't be confused by our crossdressing. Transvestites fancy girls. Male Lesbian is where the sexuality is. (Note: To those completely unfamiliar with the comedy of Eddie Izzard, I know this will sound really odd. Just roll with it, ok?) Right, now that we've cleared that up, on to more serious business. You will note that your warrior now has some more company. I'm afraid we can't just let your warrior wander about, since we are REXing into that area. Care to discuss map trading? Second, thank you for your offer of Polytheism. We are not currently interested in paying gold for it. We are, however, interested in trading you the Republic in exchange for Polytheism + gold. We established an embassy with you this turn as well. Since you have 9 gold right now, obviously a Polytheism + gold trade isn't immediately doable. But perhaps it is in the future? -Arrian

	04-02-2004 07:15									#71
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Damnit! I just noticed... Coventry is at 79 shields this turn, ONE SHIELD short of its library. Did we miscalculate something or forget a shortrush?

That's annoying. 5spt (7 -2 to waste) as currently set up, growth in 7.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 07:18									#72
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Ok, I'm going to send the turn. No offer of republic to LL in game. Let me know your thoughts on mentioning it in the diplo note.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 07:18									#73
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If they're completely uninterested in a trade for Rep, then they probably are researching it - we'll see what they say. They might know someone else with Republic, and are researching Construction for a deal with it. The draft looks fine.

	04-02-2004 07:22									#74
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Save sent to Tabemono.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 07:23									#75
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Well played on the turn. Things are hotting up fast.

	04-02-2004 07:23									#76
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Will send the draft, then.

You need to go to bed, my friend (isn't it like 2:30am over there?)

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 07:26									#77
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Yeah, g'night!

	04-02-2004 18:47									#78
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DAMNIT! Tabemono says I sent them our save.

After hours of staring at that one turn, I easily could have screwed up like that.

If you have time, can you replay it and send it on?

Key things:

1) Reconfigure Izz for +5fpt, +9spt.
2) Finish off irrigation at Swindon7, and then rearrange WF in Swindon for +5spt.
3) Add worker to Silesia, rearrange WF for +0fpt, +11spt. This leads to:
4) Rearrange WF in Coventry (gains the bonus grass 4 of the city).
5) Set Burundy to build settler.
6) Send WC to Python, accepted.
7) Establish Embassy with LL.
8) Move northernmost chariot 41 (I think... whichever blocks the LL warrior best)
9) Move northern scout to help block LL warrior (move to where our warrior was)
10) Move northern regular warrior to complete the N/NE/E blockade.
11) Move western chariot 4, 2.
12) Move FP 8.
13) Move 10 warriors from Swindon across the river. Move new warrior from Silesia to Swindon 1 (remember I moved him to Swindon first, and blew a move)
14) Move settler 888.
15) Move stooges to Corinth6
16) Move the spearman at SF111 6 to block Jojo so he can't see the Frumpy.

Hopefully the screenshots help.

SORRY!

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 18:50									#79
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OK, I can do it.

	04-02-2004 19:12									#80
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What about the Spears at Sw-7 and SW-12?

Aslo, the Spear at SF-11. Is he OK to fortify in the jungle or is there a risk of disease?

	04-02-2004 19:42									#81
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Risk of disease, just spacebar any spears that don't have to move if they're on jungle.

Spear at Sw7 moves to Sw12, IIRC.

SW12 moves 222.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 19:43									#82
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Also, we could build the library in Coventry this turn if we sidestep from the Burundy build to Silesia, put the WF from the b-grass to mine, then give the b-grass to Coventry and bingo!

	04-02-2004 20:00									#83
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Ah, but is that really ok? The only reason we can do that is we're replaying the turn.... but then again the 1 shield shortage was a mistake to begin with... we messed up a WF change at some point.

I'm torn on this one. I'd love to save that turn of production, but I don't want to do something that might be cheating.

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 20:07									#84
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Right - we wouldn't want to commit foul play. Though we're not re-rolling a random, or changing an exploring move, and we're still within the 24 hour limit.

If we were outside the 24-hour limit then we shouldn't change our move. Maybe you subconsciously sent the wrong save because deep down you knew there was another workforce adjustment needed this turn!

Hey Ref! Panzer? Can we do this?

	04-02-2004 20:16									#85
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I think if we're going to do it, we should raise it on the public forum.

We'll have to word it carefully, of course.

Or perhaps we PM Panzer?

-Arrian

	04-02-2004 20:19									#86
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I think we should PM Panzer, saying that we're within the 24 hours, we sent the wrong save, and noticed a vital WF adjustment which we'd like to change in the replay. Is it permitted?

	04-02-2004 20:31									#87
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Ok, I'll do it.

	04-02-2004 20:34									#88
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Message sent:

quote: Heya, Dunno if you noticed, but I apparently sent the wrong save along to Tabemono last night. When Cort Haus went to replay it, following my moves, he noticed a major WF change I had missed which would allow a city build to complete 1 turn earlier than if my original moves were used. It was supposed to happen that way, but somewhere along the line I forgot I had to shuffle some citizens around to make it happen properly. We are still within the 24hr limit. So what do you think, can we fix our mistake, or are we stuck with my mistake? -Arrian

	04-02-2004 21:17									#89
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Panzer's response:

quote: I think it would be fine if you fixed the mistake. Its not like you moved a unit the wrong way and revealed more information.

...

I sent a quick thank you:

quote: Thanks for getting back to us so fast, and with the answer we hoped for I didn't want to do it without asking a neutral party first. -Arrian

So we're good to go. Proceed, sir.