05-02-2004 00:17									#31
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	05-02-2004 00:18									#32
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I didn't think Ben would stoop this low. This thread makes me feel physically sick. You may see murder as worse than rape, and you may see this as murder, but using the phrase "convenience to women" regarding this is beyond the pale, IMHO. Even when i disagree with someone, I have compassion.

	05-02-2004 00:19									#33
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Damn Christians. Their ****ing God hasn't spoken to them in 2 thousand years, and they're tellin' us what to do.

	05-02-2004 00:19									#34
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Say it was a private pharamacy... then I think the guy has every right to refuse to give certain perscriptions. However, working for Eckards, when their company policy goes against this, he cannot.

Pharmacists are licensed professionals in all states, and are subject to the professional conduct and ethical requirements of their state licensing boards.

	05-02-2004 00:20									#35
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quote: Originally posted by MrFun Does the widdle Gwepap want a widdle brownie?

How did an "l" get put in the middle of my call name?

OK MrFun*

*Ruining Fun for over 3 years!

	05-02-2004 00:20									#36
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quote: Why don't you try having this discussion with some actual rape victims?

Ah, but then he would just be faced with typically female over-emotional reactions which do not consider the terrible sin they may be committing if they take the morning-after pill.
No, far better to discuss it here, keep it nice and theorectical

	05-02-2004 00:21									#37
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quote: Originally posted by MichaeltheGreat Pharmacists are licensed professionals in all states, and are subject to the professional conduct and ethical requirements of their state licensing boards.

and Imran:

quote: You said if it was private then 'maybe'. I went further. So ha!

Perhaps a bridge too far?

	05-02-2004 00:21									#38
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi I fail to see why convenience to women should override freedom of conscience. Pharmacists should not have to prescribe a drug to which they are morally opposed.

A cop has to enforce laws, right or wrong.
Don't like the law, change it.
This is a medically approved drug, that was refused to a rape victim.
The pharmacist should be fired and banned from practice.

	05-02-2004 00:21									#39
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MrFun: Putting the F.U. in "fun" for over 5 years!

	05-02-2004 00:22									#40
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quote: Originally posted by Japher MrFun: Putting the F.U. in "fun" for over 5 years!

No, no no!

MrFun*

*Putting the F.U. in "fun" for over 5 years!

That is the correct format.

	05-02-2004 00:23									#41
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Sorry

	05-02-2004 00:23									#42
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quote: Pharmacists are licensed professionals in all states, and are subject to the professional conduct and ethical requirements of their state licensing boards.

What do the professional conduct requirements say about having to provide all drugs? Is a pharmacist required to have on hand all drugs that could possibly be asked for? Can he or she pick and choose which drugs to carry because of limited funds and space?

	05-02-2004 00:24									#43
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I'm assuming Ben meant "convenience" to refer to the convenience of getting the prescription filled at one pharmacy, rather than at another. i.e. his take is that the pharmacist shouldn't be punished because he didn't want to fill that prescription, and the woman was merely inconvenienced because she had to go to another pharmacy.

I HOPE that's what he meant, and isn't using the "woman's convenience" line about abortion to extend to a rape victim's attempt to prevent pregnancy in the first place.

	05-02-2004 00:26									#44
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quote: What do the professional conduct requirements say about having to provide all drugs? Is a pharmacist required to have on hand all drugs that could possibly be asked for? Can he or she pick and choose which drugs to carry because of limited funds and space?

A pharmacist shouldn't with hold treatment prescribed by a doctor. If they don't have the meds, then they wouldn't be with holding it.

	05-02-2004 00:26									#45
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I wonder if any Christian Scientists are pharmacist's?
Talk about conflict of interest.

	05-02-2004 00:27									#46
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quote: Originally posted by Japher Sorry

No your NOT!

	05-02-2004 00:27									#47
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quote: I wonder if any Christian Scientists are pharmacist's? Talk about conflict of interest.

It would be like a Texan who "doesn't fancy" NASCAR or PBR

	05-02-2004 00:28									#48
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quote: A pharmacist shouldn't with hold treatment prescribed by a doctor. If they don't have the meds, then they wouldn't be with holding it.

That's what I meant by a private pharmacy. I bet if this guy was in business for himself, he wouldn't have those pills.

	05-02-2004 00:30									#49
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good point... I wonder if he'd carry condoms?

	05-02-2004 00:34									#50
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Pharmacists are licensed professionals in all states, and are subject to the professional conduct and ethical requirements of their state licensing boards. What do the professional conduct requirements say about having to provide all drugs? Is a pharmacist required to have on hand all drugs that could possibly be asked for? Can he or she pick and choose which drugs to carry because of limited funds and space?

They're state requirements, so check all 50 states and DC, but availability in inventory isn't the issue. It's refusing to fill a prescription that the pharmacist had the ability to fill. There are circumstances where pharmacists are expected to do that, for example, when the pharmacist is aware of a drug interaction or reaction issue of which the prescribing physician may be unaware.

	05-02-2004 00:35									#51
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nope -- condoms are evil according to fundies

	05-02-2004 00:47									#52
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Meanwhile my pleas to ease the pain with a totally legitimate oxymorphone prescription which was hastily drawn up on a napkin go unnoticed. You could even say that bigot pharmacist stuck them up his own ass

	05-02-2004 01:01									#53
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omg... u sicken me kenobi

I hope god exists so he can set your ass straight when you get there

raped and then refused birth-control...

what is this? the dark ages?

	05-02-2004 01:02									#54
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quote: It's refusing to fill a prescription that the pharmacist had the ability to fill.

Which wouldn't be an issue if he was a private pharmacist who did not carry those drugs, like my example stated.

	05-02-2004 01:05									#55
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Women are for making babies.

	05-02-2004 01:13									#56
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quote: I HOPE that's what he meant, and isn't using the "woman's convenience" line about abortion to extend to a rape victim's attempt to prevent pregnancy in the first place.

Yes, I mean your first example and not the second. I'm not an ogre after all.

Is such a requirement constitutional, because it effectively bars Catholics in particular from working as pharmacists without a violation to their conscience.

	05-02-2004 01:14									#57
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What if the person had cancer? Would he find it morally objectionable to interfere with the Lords work?
Perhaps he should begin trying to speed it up?

"The Lord God has told me....he told me! He's taking you into his Kindgom of heaven...Yes....Oh don't cry....It'll all be over soon....And you'll be with the lord! The Lord God, the supreme creator!!! Yes....yes......"

	05-02-2004 01:15									#58
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Good, Catholics shouldn't do something they think is immoral. But if other folks want to it, I say, let 'em.

	05-02-2004 01:47									#59
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Is such a requirement constitutional, because it effectively bars Catholics in particular from working as pharmacists without a violation to their conscience.

There is no specific right to employment, let alone to employment in any chosen profession. If one has an objection to part of a job requirement, the choice is simple - don't do the job, or do the job someplace else where the job requirements fit your views.

The freedom of conscience issue is a bit of a stretch. Consider this:

The pharmacist isn't the prescribing physician.

He doesn't know whether the victim has a fertilized egg or not (not playing semantics, but the whole point of the morning after pill is to block implantation, which is the objectively testable determination of whether she is pregnant).

So he's neither the direct actor in terminating a pregnancy, nor does he know whether there even is conception.

If you go that far, why not object to even working in a store which sells contraceptives? Even to married couples, if you're Catholic, as humanae vitae and subsequent statements by the church take the clear position that sex must be "open to the transmission of life" - so even barrier methods which do not allow post fertilization "issues" are technically prohibited (although a huge number of Catholics disregard that little detail of church doctrine)

If your conscience prohibits you from participating indirectly in a specific type of contraceptive prescription when you have no idea whether there is a fertilized egg / conception, how does it permit you to even work in that pharmacy at all?

	05-02-2004 02:12									#60
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi Yes, I mean your first example and not the second. I'm not an ogre after all.

You may not think so, but you are. At least in my eyes. This is the latest in a string of threads recently that has reduced my opinion of you to about a hair above my opinion of Bods (aka Park Avenue).

At least Fez was reactionary in an amusing way.

-Arrian