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Ben Kenobi is offline Ben Kenobi
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Texas pharmacist refuses pill for rape victim

Woman with doctor's prescription for drug turned away

Updated: 6:15 p.m. ET Feb. 03, 2004DALLAS - A Texas pharmacist was disciplined for refusing to fill the prescription of a rape victim seeking a morning-after pregnancy-prevention pill, the pharmacy chain that employed the man said on Tuesday.

Eckerd Corp. said the pharmacist considered it a violation of morals to give a rape victim, with a valid prescription, a pill that would prevent her from getting pregnant due to the sexual assault.

The incident took place on Jan. 23 at an Eckerd drug store in the Dallas suburb of Denton.

Eckerd spokeswoman Joan Gallagher said she could not give details of the disciplinary actions, but that the pharmacist had violated company policy.

“A pharmacist is obliged to fill a prescription if it is a valid, legal prescription,” she said. “We do not make exceptions for any moral, religious or ethical concerns with regard to filling the prescription.”

Florida-based Eckerd is owned by Texas-based retailer J.C. Penney Co.

Protesters, carrying signs reading “Got Raped? Let someone else help you” and “Rape violates my morals,” have been picketing the store this week.

Kathryn Allen, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of North Texas, said the situation could have been avoided if hospitals in the state mandated emergency contraception in sexual assault cases. Other states stipulate that hospitals must make emergency contraception available to victims of sexual assault, but Texas does not.

“What this pharmacist did was truly outrageous. It forces the woman to relive the assault,” said Allen, adding that the prescription in question is essentially a high dose of birth control pills that prevents pregnancy.

The rape victim was able to have her prescription filled at another pharmacy in the area, they said.

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I fail to see why convenience to women should override freedom of conscience. Pharmacists should not have to prescribe a drug to which they are morally opposed.

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I fail to see why convenience to women should override freedom of conscience. Pharmacists should not have to prescribe a drug to which they are morally opposed.


Another one of these: this man is an employee of the Eckhard chain, which as far as we know, does not have a policy allowing its pharmacists to decide for themselves what legal prescription they will fill or not.

If this was a privately owned pharmacy, maybe. But this man in an employee of a national chain. Sorry, but he doe not get to make policy for the chain.
If he cares so much, he should quit and start his own pharmacy.

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I fail to see why convenience to women should override freedom of conscience. Pharmacists should not have to prescribe a drug to which they are morally opposed.




If a woman was raped, she has EVERY right to do anything she decides upon, to find ways to heal from that rape as long as it does not harm another sentient person.

Damn Bennie -- this is one of your most unfair, narrow minded posts recently.

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Scumbag. And that goes for you too, Ben.

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I fail to see why convenience to women should override freedom of conscience. Pharmacists should not have to prescribe a drug to which they are morally opposed.


I'm sure it was real convenient getting raped. If she got knocked up as a result, well, that's just God's will, right?

If someone has a "moral opposition" to filling a legally valid prescription, he or she shouldn't be a pharmacist.

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I don't think I've read a thread that's so filled me with contempt in a long while.

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I fail to see why convenience to women should override freedom of conscience. Pharmacists should not have to prescribe a drug to which they are morally opposed.


The pharmacist gets paid to do a job. Simple. He knew when he took it on that it may involve prescribing treatments that he was 'morally opposed to' and if he considered this to be the overriding factor then he should not hjave taken on the job in the first place.

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Another one of these: this man is an employee of the Eckhard chain, which as far as we know, does not have a policy allowing its pharmacists to decide for themselves what legal prescription they will fill or not.

If this was a privately owned pharmacy, maybe. But this man in an employee of a national chain. Sorry, but he doe not get to make policy for the chain.
If he cares so much, he should quit and start his own pharmacy.


This is an outrage. And, GePap, I agree.

I really hate, abhor, despite (and all other words you can think of) people who override policies with their moral concerns. The woman came to this pharmacy expecting her prescription to be filled, knowing that the pharmacy cannot turn her away. If there was an established policy that the chain will not fill that specific kind of prescription, that's a different story. The pharmacist absolutely had no right to do this.

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Will this thread stay up long enough for the defenders of his guy to show up? probalby.

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Asks the guy who just had to bump the thread with that question.

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Asks the guy who just had to bump the thread with that question.




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Prescibing medication is not the job of the pharmicist, that is the doctors job.

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I fail to see why convenience to women should override freedom of conscience.


Perhaps the rapist was morally opposed to consential sex...im sure thats far more imporatant than the woman being 'inconvenienced' by rape.

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Will this thread stay up long enough for the defenders of his guy to show up? probalby.

I hope not. I would be very disappointed if, besides Ben, there are people on Apolyton that would condone (sp?) such an act.

BTW, this is the first time I've seen rape being described as "convenience to women"

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If a woman was raped, she has EVERY right to do anything she decides upon, to find ways to heal from that rape as long as it does not harm another sentient person.

Damn Bennie -- this is one of your most unfair, narrow minded posts recently.


Say it was a private pharamacy... then I think the guy has every right to refuse to give certain perscriptions. However, working for Eckards, when their company policy goes against this, he cannot.

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I can't believe a pharmacist would do this. Amazing.

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to find ways to heal from that rape as long as it does not harm another sentient person.


Why the qualifier 'sentient?' People do have a right to seek relief from rape, but not at the expense of a life of another person.

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legally valid prescription,


What about in Oregon? Should a physician be required to dispense drugs for euthanasia?

Finally, how will the morning after pill relieve the rape of the woman? It does nothing of the sort.

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Well, whyen someone is follish enough to come and try to defend what this guy did, the whooping will be so one sided as to be comical.

OK MrFun*

*this poster is not acutally fun.

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The guy would still be inane, grossly insensitive, and extremely bigoted, but yes, if he had his own private pharmacy, he can do all kinds of stupid, hateful things.

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Well, whyen someone is follish enough to come and try to defend what this guy did, the whooping will be so one sided as to be comical.

OK MrFun*

*this poster is not acutally fun.


Maybe I should have put a wink smilie next to the angry smilie to help you detect my sarcasm?

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Texas pharmacist refuses pill for rape victim

Woman with doctor's prescription for drug turned away

Updated: 6:15 p.m. ET Feb. 03, 2004DALLAS - A Texas pharmacist was disciplined for refusing to fill the prescription of a rape victim seeking a morning-after pregnancy-prevention pill, the pharmacy chain that employed the man said on Tuesday.

Eckerd Corp. said the pharmacist considered it a violation of morals to give a rape victim, with a valid prescription, a pill that would prevent her from getting pregnant due to the sexual assault.

The incident took place on Jan. 23 at an Eckerd drug store in the Dallas suburb of Denton.

Eckerd spokeswoman Joan Gallagher said she could not give details of the disciplinary actions, but that the pharmacist had violated company policy.

“A pharmacist is obliged to fill a prescription if it is a valid, legal prescription,” she said. “We do not make exceptions for any moral, religious or ethical concerns with regard to filling the prescription.”

Florida-based Eckerd is owned by Texas-based retailer J.C. Penney Co.

Protesters, carrying signs reading “Got Raped? Let someone else help you” and “Rape violates my morals,” have been picketing the store this week.

Kathryn Allen, a spokeswoman for Planned Parenthood of North Texas, said the situation could have been avoided if hospitals in the state mandated emergency contraception in sexual assault cases. Other states stipulate that hospitals must make emergency contraception available to victims of sexual assault, but Texas does not.

“What this pharmacist did was truly outrageous. It forces the woman to relive the assault,” said Allen, adding that the prescription in question is essentially a high dose of birth control pills that prevents pregnancy.

The rape victim was able to have her prescription filled at another pharmacy in the area, they said.

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I fail to see why convenience to women should override freedom of conscience. Pharmacists should not have to prescribe a drug to which they are morally opposed.


**** 'em. Farmacysts aren't supposed ta be preachen' morals. Just pass the pills and **** off.

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"convenience to women"


Dispensation of the morning after pill is the convenience, not the rape.

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The guy would still be inane, grossly insensitive, and extremely bigoted, but yes, if he had his own private pharmacy, he can do all kinds of stupid, hateful things.


Thanks for agreeing .

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Finally, how will the morning after pill relieve the rape of the woman? It does nothing of the sort.


Uhm... How about the knowledge that nothing of the monster who did to her is growing inside her?

Anyways, 1 day after potential fertilisation we're talkng about a ball of cells numbering about 8. I can see arguing about late term abortion, or the use of morning after pill as a means of contraception, but for this reason....

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The guy would still be inane, grossly insensitive, and extremely bigoted, but yes, if he had his own private pharmacy, he can do all kinds of stupid, hateful things.


Thanks for agreeing .


Oh sure, don't appreciate the colorful adjectives I used to cloak the extent of my agreeing with you.

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The guy would still be inane, grossly insensitive, and extremely bigoted, but yes, if he had his own private pharmacy, he can do all kinds of stupid, hateful things.


Thanks for agreeing .


And thank you for agreeing with me (point to the first post of the thread....)

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Oh sure, don't appreciate the colorful adjectives I used to cloak the extent of my agreeing with you.


I never do .

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And thank you for agreeing with me (point to the first post of the thread....)


You said if it was private then 'maybe'. I went further. So ha!

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Why the qualifier 'sentient?' People do have a right to seek relief from rape, but not at the expense of a life of another person.


What other "person" would be involved at that time?


What about in Oregon? Should a physician be required to dispense drugs for euthanasia?


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Finally, how will the morning after pill relieve the rape of the woman? It does nothing of the sort.


Maybe God's will would be accomplished if she gets AIDS and dies? Prevention of a potential pregnancy to remove an additional consquence of the rape is is form of relief. Limiting additional damage comes before healing from that damage.

Why don't you try having this discussion with some actual rape victims?

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