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MichaeltheGreat
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
time: 21:33
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Originally posted by skywalker
Lots and lots and lots of people > one person.
And MtG, about "choice" - do you agree that the government can draft people? And that those people can be ordered to, say "go over the top" where they'll likely die? |
I believe that legitimate government can draft people, yes. And if those people don't want to be drafted, they can tell the government to go **** itself and sever ties with it. As a general proposition, a government which is established with the consent of the people provides a mutual set of benefits - common defense, common economic benefits. protection of rights and freedoms from infringement, etc., so the draftee is, in theory, engaging in an exchange. However, the draftee is also free to decide that there is inadequate benefit to that exchange, and may sever ties by leaving the country and forfeiting any benefits or rights of citizenship, unless the government provides some other alternative which is acceptable to the draftee.
Once in military service, it is implicit that you may receive (and are generally obligated to carry out) orders that may result in your death, but even then, there are exceptions, loopholes and limitations, and you at least have the means to attack the enemy and possibly survive.
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
Oct 1999
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Originally posted by GePap
Better question for monotheists:
During the night you recieve a dream in which God tells you you must murder a man in order to save X amount of people. This man is not evil, he does not plan to do anything evil, but he will do something whose reprecussions will bring about X amount of suffering.
Now, you wake up, but are utterly unable to shake the conviction that this is NOT just a dream, but real.
NOW, what do you do? Do you go talk with some religious authority to see what they say? Would you follow their advice if they did? Would you ignore it becuase what is being asked is a crime? |
What is being asked is an abomination and a violation of one of the ten commandments, so I'd have to assume that there was some static on the line or God hadn't had his morning coffee. Now if the commandment in question was to run off and commit adultery with Salma Hayek, then yes, I'd happily submit to His superior wisdom, assuming Salma was similarly inclined.
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The TOC is supposed to be classified guys...
Dec 2001
time: 23:33
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Originally posted by Boris Godunov
That doesn't seem so tough. If you have no guarantee of your family's safety even if you shoot yourself, the obvious answer, even for a religious person, is to not do it. If you do have a guarantee, somehow, then the self-sacrifice isn't really suicide...it's like taking a bullet to save an innocent person.
Now here's a real toughy for the religionists:
Thanks to a massive war/famine/catastrophe, etc., the human race has been virtually wiped out except for a small enclave of humanity. By luck, there is only one woman left and the rest are men. The woman is 8 months pregnant, but is having major complications. There is luckily a doctor who diagnoses the situation as thus: The baby is healthy, but the pregnancy will kill the mother if it continues. The woman will be saved by an abortion, but it will damage her uterus beyond repair and end any reproductive hope. The woman wants to have the abortion to save her life, and the doctor has the means of doing it reasonably safely.
So, do you let the woman abort the baby to save her own life, but end humanity in the process, or force her to carry it to term in the hopes the new child will become a progenitor of the next wave of humanity? |
How about a C-section? My answer is to force her to have the child, now if you said the process wouldn't sterilize her then it would be a tougher question.
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06-02-2004 22:47
. Oh, and in order that people wouldn't have any ideas that I am some sort of misogynist, I'd kill a man to save humanity as well.
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