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Ask when you're looking for a job, and your unemployed ass doesn't have any money to spend on the crap that's made overseas. |
Sorry, I have my bases covered in the whole job field. Even if I can't find a job in my field of study (a possibility, to be sure), I have numerous fallbacks that will suffice.
If someone else doesn't have those fallbacks, then I suppose one could say that I made better choices earlier in life than some other people did. In other words, tough ****.
In any case, you still didn't answer my two questions, which were 1)what's wrong with corporate profits? and 2)what else is the point of business?
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MichaeltheGreat
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mooning the house that Ruth built.
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Originally posted by David Floyd
Sorry, I have my bases covered in the whole job field. Even if I can't find a job in my field of study (a possibility, to be sure), I have numerous fallbacks that will suffice.
If someone else doesn't have those fallbacks, then I suppose one could say that I made better choices earlier in life than some other people did. In other words, tough ****.
In any case, you still didn't answer my two questions, which were 1)what's wrong with corporate profits? and 2)what else is the point of business? |
Yeah, yeah, whatever, Mr. stuck in a bottle of beer is so prescient that he knows his entire employment history already. 
1) Nothing's wrong with corporate profits, if you take into account the appropriate timeframe and risks associated with your level of profit. Short term profits which erode prospects for long term growth or which are based on risks which didn't happen to materialize at the time aren't the same as short term profits which are consistent with long term growth. Don't believe me? Ask Enron.
2) If you don't know, I'm not going to waste my time educatiing you. Profit as a be all and end all point of business is a gross oversimplification.
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David Floyd
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The bottom of a large bottle of beer
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Yeah, yeah, whatever, Mr. stuck in a bottle of beer is so prescient that he knows his entire employment history already. |
Yes, there is a possibility that at some point I will be unemployed. However, I feel that as a result of my experience in retail, I can always go back to that as a fallback, if necessary (worked in the retail field for the past five years, mostly full time in supervisory roles). This isn't to say that is a good career, but rather that even if I do become unemployed, or have trouble finding a job in my field, I would probably stand a very good chance at being employed in some field.
No, I don't know my entire employment history. I do know my work ethic to date, and my work experience to date, and my intelligence, and those factors tell me that I don't have as much to worry about as certain other people.
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1) Nothing's wrong with corporate profits, if you take into account the appropriate timeframe and risks associated with your level of profit. Short term profits which erode prospects for long term growth or which are based on risks which didn't happen to materialize at the time aren't the same as short term profits which are consistent with long term growth. |
Naturally.
And if you want to bring up Enron and other corporate scandals, I can only reply that I assume you know my position on fraud. I would think that people would assume, by now, that when I ask "What's wrong with _____?", I mean "What's wrong with ______ if achieved morally/" And by "morally", I believe that everyone knows I mean "without coercion" and "consistant with freedom".
So, then, outsourcing jobs is not immoral. It cannot be said to be either coercive or inconsistent with freedom - laid off workers have no inherent right or entitlement to their job, and by taking the job when offered were simply entering into a contract which all involved parties knew was not necessarily permanent. Now, if laying off workers violated a clause of some contract they may hypothetically have had with the company, that's another matter. Since that is not typically the case, we can ignore it. If outsourcing jobs is not immoral, then the only relevant question a company needs to ask is "What will this do to profits?" Obviously, as you point out, long-term profits should be weighed as well, but in any case, this question of business decisions is certainly not the business of anyone but the company and its shareholders.
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2) If you don't know, I'm not going to waste my time educatiing you. Profit as a be all and end all point of business is a gross oversimplification. |
Fine, then to avoid this argument, let me simply rephrase.
Is the primary function of a business to make a profit, or is the primary function of a business to provide jobs? Yes, the two (profits and jobs) are obviously intertwined - hence one reason for oursourcing jobs to places with cheap labor 
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Unless a candidate admits to... sodomizing sheep on a courthouse steps late at night, |
In certain parts of West Virginia and the upper peninsula of Michigan, that is considered a job requirement.
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