11-02-2004 19:06									#1
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Bush Supports Shift of Jobs Overseas

Bush Report: Sending jobs overseas helps U.S

Bush Economic Report Praises 'Outsourcing' Jobs

Bush Says Sending Jobs Abroad Can be Beneficial

I think that's all she wrote. No matter how they try and spin this, it's gonna alienate American workers, blue and white collar, who are fearing for their jobs. What an idiot.

	11-02-2004 19:07									#2
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I don't get it. Do you want the man to be honest or not?

	11-02-2004 19:10									#3
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What's wrong with sending jobs overseas, if doing so will increase profits? What else would be the point of business, if not to maximize profits?

	11-02-2004 19:10									#4
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could anyone please post those links?

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http://www.latimes.com/news/nationw...litics-national

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/ht...bushecon10.html

http://www.post-gazette.com/pg/04041/271362.stm

http://www.orlandosentinel.com/news...-news-headlines

	11-02-2004 19:15									#6
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Floyd and Drake don't get it. Typical. You think for one minute American workers give a crap about rich people getting richer if they're in jeopardy of losing their jobs and homes and having to work as a pizza delivery person? Right. Oh yeah, well, I've lost everything, but at least Disney is more profitable than they already were.

This is the numer one issue in the election, and Bush just handed it to Kerry on a silver platter.

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By the way, I do rather like this quote from the Seattletimes article:

"When they say, 'We're going to repeal Bush's tax cuts,' that means they're going to raise your taxes, and that's wrong."

If you want to talk about losing elections, let me see a Democrat come out and be honest about wanting to raise taxes

	11-02-2004 19:15									#8
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd What's wrong with sending jobs overseas, if doing so will increase profits? What else would be the point of business, if not to maximize profits?

From a shareholder's perspective its good, from an employees perspective its bad. From an economy viewpoint its bad as well as money is flowing out of the country.

	11-02-2004 19:15									#9
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Bush is an honest crook.
But this could backfire.

Outsourcing is all part of business.

But 'true-blue' Americans might get militant if it looks as if the mighty USA is giving jobs to 'them foreigners'...

But all Dubby has to say is:
"Out-sourcing is the way to defeat TERROR-RISM!"

Bingo! Instant voter compliance!

	11-02-2004 19:18									#10
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quote: You think for one minute American workers give a crap about rich people getting richer if they're in jeopardy of losing their jobs and homes and having to work as a pizza delivery person?

You're absolutely right. Most American workers don't care about freedom, and would welcome the opportunity to legislate against a business's freedom to outsource labor. Doesn't make it right.

Lest one forgets, though, conservatives don't care about freedom, either, so don't waste your time bringing up examples of Bush and Ashcroft being authoritarians. Duh.

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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara This is the numer one issue in the election...

Please give a link that can verify this statement (one that is not biased). Otherwise it is just the number one issue for YOU, not everybody. It doesn't effect me. Hell, it could actually increase my job security.

	11-02-2004 19:31									#12
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"Freedom" in the deeply flawed libertarian sense.

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Bush didn't lose the election, because the whole focus will be on Iraq, homeland security and abortion / gay marriage during the campaign. No matter how the democratic candidate will try to shift the focus on employement and quality of life, the media will prefer talking about gay marriage and war, because it sells.

	11-02-2004 19:35									#14
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quote: "Freedom" in the deeply flawed libertarian sense.

Freedom in the "lack of coercion" sense, at any rate.

	11-02-2004 19:49									#15
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor Bush didn't lose the election, because the whole focus will be on Iraq, homeland security and abortion / gay marriage during the campaign. No matter how the democratic candidate will try to shift the focus on employement and quality of life, the media will prefer talking about gay marriage and war, because it sells.

That's what they will be talking about. But it won't truly affect the voting habits of average Americans. They are more concerned about their jobs and welfare. This is what is truly important to them, and thus the smarter criterion to vote on. Oddly, the only people who really vote based on a candidate's views on gay marriage or abortion are pseudo-intellectuals and the fanatically stupid.

	11-02-2004 19:53									#16
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"It's the economy, stupid."

No truer words have been spoken.

	11-02-2004 19:57									#17
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Is it November already?

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Bush is about to be outsourced.

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To a small ranch in Mongolia!

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quote: From a shareholder's perspective its good, from an employees perspective its bad. From an economy viewpoint its bad as well as money is flowing out of the country.

Wrong on both accounts. Over time, the remaining employees and customers are almost the sole beneficiaries of outsourcing. Companies are no more profitable today than they were before outsourcing became a big thing.

Also, from an economic viewpoint, since we have fiat money, there's really no such thing as money "flowing out of the country". US Dollars are only legal tender in the United States, so you have to buy US goods or services with them. That is, unless you want to paper your walls with dollars, or burn dollars in an oven.

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Che, I really think you've missed your calling in life. You consistently come up with the most humorous thread titles that make the most bizarre allegations. You should be in stand-up comedy. Given your political bent, you could be the next Lenny Bruce!

	11-02-2004 20:17									#22
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I just thought of a better career! Headline writer for the National Enquirer!

Enquiring minds want to know!

	11-02-2004 20:26									#23
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i hope bush loses the election, but having a bent towards free and open markets with the feeling that more trade is good trade, i don't see how this outsourcing is a bad thing.

why? let's look at the effects:

1. if this keeps up, there's something about competitive advantages which is supposed to happen.
2. if this keeps up, even if some people are hurt, more people benefit from the cheaper services.
3. if this keeps up, it's not as good for bush.

	11-02-2004 20:30									#24
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Stupid comments this far in advance rarely decide elections. This one will be decided by 1) the economy and 2) Iraq.

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You can argue all you want about how outsourcing is a good thing, but in the minds of many people, outsourcing means replacing good jobs with McJobs. As one union official said, you can't have an economy where we all sell haircuts to one another. Praising sending jobs overseas, regardless of whether or not people like DanS or Floyd believe its a good thing, will not play well in Peoria.

donegal, I would suggest that you pay attention to the primary coverage. Every report I've seen, heard, and read, the number one issue, over all, is jobs.

	11-02-2004 20:40									#26
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And in other news:

Bush Numbers Take an Uptick

	11-02-2004 20:42									#27
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quote: Originally posted by DaShi That's what they will be talking about. But it won't truly affect the voting habits of average Americans. They are more concerned about their jobs and welfare. This is what is truly important to them, and thus the smarter criterion to vote on. Oddly, the only people who really vote based on a candidate's views on gay marriage or abortion are pseudo-intellectuals and the fanatically stupid.

That is untrue. Studies have shown that the socalled 'working poor', and the unemployed are generally not as participatory in voting for national elections because they think it will not make a difference anyway. Under Clinton for instance the expropriation of the working class continued at an accelerated class.

On the other hand in periods of decreasing wealth-disparity the poor tend to participate more in the political process.

The middle-class people who vote are those who think it important to further curtail the freedom of the American people. Or the people who think it neccesary to counter that. The first are motivated by a wish to administer punishement as a means of protecting their own diminishing incomes, while the latter are those who think that a freer populace will eventually rebel against the present structure.

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quote: Originally posted by DanS Over time, the remaining employees and customers are almost the sole beneficiaries of outsourcing.

Remaining employees. That's cold comfort to those who aren't retained.

quote: Companies are no more profitable today than they were before outsourcing became a big thing.

If companies don't benefit then why would they do it?

	11-02-2004 20:52									#29
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara You can argue all you want about how outsourcing is a good thing, but in the minds of many people, outsourcing means replacing good jobs with McJobs. As one union official said, you can't have an economy where we all sell haircuts to one another. Praising sending jobs overseas, regardless of whether or not people like DanS or Floyd believe its a good thing, will not play well in Peoria.

You may be right that it is the publics perception of outsourcing that matters. Personally, I think most of them are too stupid to understand it, one way or another. A huge chunk of people have already decided who they will vote for, not based on issues, policies, or even beliefs. Most peoples vote is based upon 'eye candy'.

	11-02-2004 21:02									#30
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd What's wrong with sending jobs overseas, if doing so will increase profits? What else would be the point of business, if not to maximize profits?

Ask when you're looking for a job, and your unemployed ass doesn't have any money to spend on the crap that's made overseas.