13-02-2004 12:21									#91
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For me, life has meaning because of its origins, as a gift from God, returning blessings everyday. For without God, we would not have life, and without life, no joy.

	13-02-2004 12:40									#92
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IMO, the meaning of life is to pass on our genes.

	13-02-2004 13:28									#93
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"Religion provides the salvation of our souls."

Philosophy proves the existence of souls. Without philosophy, religion would be passionless and arbitrary.

	13-02-2004 18:36									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Ben Kenobi For me, life has meaning because of its origins, as a gift from God, returning blessings everyday. For without God, we would not have life, and without life, no joy.

Freud said religion is the collective neuroses of mankind. And I find it hard to disagree with that.

I wish I had your faith, Ben. I was religious once. But once I studied philosphy in college, God began to seem like Santa Claus to me...

Any argument for the existence of God has at its foundation: faith. There is no logical argument for the existence of God. What I seek is a logical argument for having faith.

	13-02-2004 19:13									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Shi Huangdi Religion provides the salvation of our souls.

Hmm, religion provides the illusion of salvation which is a comforting thought, but absolute false.

You need to deal with the thruth, and the thruth is that there is no meaning(yet?).

IMO it can only have meaning if we would be able to live forever which is exactly what (all?) religions promise, be it in an other (physical or spiritual) form.

	13-02-2004 21:48									#96
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Life has no meaning, anymore than red has a meaning. That does not mean we can not enjoy red though.

	13-02-2004 22:01									#97
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Life isn't meaningless. I'm not sure wtf it is, but it isn't meaningless. I have a wife that is alive with meaning, and a faithful God that puts joy in my heart. On a sunny morning after a chilly night it seems that the meaning in life will overwhelm me.

	13-02-2004 22:03									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Life isn't meaningless. I'm not sure wtf it is, but it isn't meaningless. I have a wife that is alive with meaning, and a faithful God that puts joy in my heart. On a sunny morning after a chilly night it seems that the meaning in life will overwhelm me.

	13-02-2004 22:07									#99
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer Life isn't meaningless. I'm not sure wtf it is, but it isn't meaningless. I have a wife that is alive with meaning, and a faithful God that puts joy in my heart. On a sunny morning after a chilly night it seems that the meaning in life will overwhelm me.

I can say is that this is a fine belief...

BUT

I would respond and say that the human mind makes meaning- it does not get meaning from the outside world, which has none whatsoever.

People GIVE the world meaning-meaning they invent in their mind, just like people have given the color red meanings, even though "red" is a word for the sensual experience we derive from a certain frequency in the eletro-magnetic spectrum.

	13-02-2004 22:14									#100
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"I can say is that this is a fine belief...

BUT

I would respond and say that the human mind makes meaning- it does not get meaning from the outside world, which has none whatsoever.

People GIVE the world meaning-meaning they invent in their mind, just like people have given the color red meanings, even though "red" is a word for the sensual experience we derive from a certain frequency in the eletro-magnetic spectrum."

Okally dokally..

Wait a sec. Diss was asking us if life has meaning, yes? Certainly the question was posed to us, so we may assume he asked if life has meaning to us, yes? So life has the meaning we assign it, which may depend on who we are, which to me depends on our relationship with God, the notion of which sends alot of people to whom life has no meaning into convultions, and in so doing inadvertantly creates a run-on sentence.

	13-02-2004 22:31									#101
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What is meaning?

	13-02-2004 22:44									#102
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"What is meaning?"

That which is meaningful?

	13-02-2004 22:59									#103
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Some people may have meaningless lives.

It's up to the individual... if you think you're life is meaningless now, why not change it?

As opposed to sitting in the corner moaning and whinging.

	13-02-2004 23:01									#104
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I hope my life isnt meaningless! that would be depressing!

	13-02-2004 23:02									#105
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quote: Wait a sec. Diss was asking us if life has meaning, yes? Certainly the question was posed to us, so we may assume he asked if life has meaning to us, yes? So life has the meaning we assign it, which may depend on who we are, which to me depends on our relationship with God, the notion of which sends alot of people to whom life has no meaning into convultions, and in so doing inadvertantly creates a run-on sentence.

Dissident did not ask "does your life have meaning"-there the answer can be yes or no. He asked "does LIFE have meaning"...that is a different question-it seeks some meaning seperate from any one life that applies universally (42). And the answer is that LIFE does not have meaning.

Now, as for your answer to Monoliths question:

That which is meaningful is something that has meaning-that is not the answer to what IS meaning.

	13-02-2004 23:06									#106
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"Dissident did not ask "does your life have meaning"-there the answer can be yes or no. He asked "does LIFE have meaning"...that is a different question-it seeks some meaning seperate from any one life that applies universally (42). And the answer is that LIFE does not have meaning.

Now, as for your answer to Monoliths question:

That which is meaningful is something that has meaning-that is not the answer to what IS meaning."

LALALALALANCER'S last post in this thread, which has lost all meaning to me.

LALALALALA

	13-02-2004 23:10									#107
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon I hope my life isnt meaningless! that would be depressing!

WHy? What if the meaning of life is death and suffering and pain?

If LIFE is meaningless, you get to decide what you do with your own.

	13-02-2004 23:21									#108
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People are confusing meaning with purpose. There is no purpose for our being here, for the human race to exist. Meaning is a human construct, to which we assign our own values. Therefore your life can have as much or as little meaning as you desire, as well as other's lives.

	13-02-2004 23:22									#109
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quote: Originally posted by GePap WHy? What if the meaning of life is death and suffering and pain?

that would also be depressing!

	13-02-2004 23:24									#110
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"That which is meaningful is something that has meaning-that is not the answer to what IS meaning."

I asked - what is meaning - because I want to know what we are describing when we say a "meaningful life".

So far, no one has actually told me what either is, in precise terms.

I went to dictionary.com and looked it up. Some of the more relevant definitions:

1. An interpreted goal, intent, or end
2. Inner significance

This seems to me to be more of a question of whether or not you believe in fate and predestination. Everyone has inner significance. My life has meaning for several reasions: my imagination, my passion for certain aspects of life, etc. Those are all part of my inner significance. And because I give my life a goal, something that I'm working towards, I would say that I give my life meaning. Therefore mine is not a meaningless life.

	13-02-2004 23:25									#111
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Life isn't meaningless, just think, Billions of years of movement & time in the universe all culminating in a thread on Apolyton about the meaning of life. That has to mean something.

	13-02-2004 23:29									#112
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Nope.

	13-02-2004 23:44									#113
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quote: As opposed to sitting in the corner moaning and whinging.

But that IS the ..aaaaarhhh....never mind
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quote: Life isn't meaningless, just think, Billions of years of movement & time in the universe all culminating in a thread on Apolyton about the meaning of life. That has to mean something.

quote: Nope.