13-02-2004 01:12									#121
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So which is it che, you dont think integrity matters or you dont think marital infidelity (assuming the story is true and wasnt a fling 20 years ago) shows a lack of integrity?

	13-02-2004 01:12									#122
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That Kerry sleeps around shouldn't be an issue while politicians like him and Shrub have far more relevant integrity issues that actually have to do with their political decisions. Giving the former any real importance drowns out the latter.

	13-02-2004 01:12									#123
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon goes to integrity. sorry u dont believe in integrity. I know its one of those things that seems to be lacking. but I'm not ready to throw it out.

Did you vote for McCain or Bush?

I believe in integrity, but outside violence or an otherwise exploitive relationship, what goes on between a man and his wife is between them, and them alone. It is not your business. It is not my business. It's not anyone's business but the people involved.

If he slept with this person will it mean that Kerry: didn't vote for the war, did vote to spend $87 billion in Iraq, voted against NAFTA, etc?

Personally, I question someone's intelligence when they say they trust the President and were tricked by them. I doubt the integrity of someone who voted for a BS war, and then criticizes the conduct of that war. I question the integrity of a man who says he'd take special interests out of politics when he's been taking money from lobbyists all along. These are the things that matter, because these are what will point the way to what kind of President Kerry would be, to how he will afect you, me, and the people around us. If he's having sex with transsexual midgets, how does that determine the kind of job he's gonna do?

	13-02-2004 01:18									#124
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Did you vote for McCain or Bush? I believe in integrity, but outside violence or an otherwise exploitive relationship, what goes on between a man and his wife is between them, and them alone. It is not your business. It is not my business. It's not anyone's business but the people involved. If he slept with this person will it mean that Kerry: didn't vote for the war, did vote to spend $87 billion in Iraq, voted against NAFTA, etc?

he entered a marriage vow then decided to break it. if someone lies to someone else is it not helpful for me to know about it? or is it useless "cuz they didnt lie to me?"

representative democracy is a lot about integrity. it is in constant jeopardy and I refuse to go around in some fatalistic manner about the issue.

oh and I didnt vote in the primaries. but mccain is from my state.

	13-02-2004 01:21									#125
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Tiny little request--

Can we not refer to this story as a fait accompli until someone more trustworthy than Matt Drudge and Rush Limbaugh reports it?

	13-02-2004 01:21									#126
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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH So which is it che, you dont think integrity matters

I think that if integrity mattered, a lot of things would be very different in this country. We wouldn't have Presidents who lie so much they don't even know what the truth is. We wouldn't have a Congress that is bankrupting our future to pour money into their friends pockets. We wouldn't have corporations polluting our air and ripping the economic hearts out of our communities while demanding huge kickbacks from those communities.

I fin that those who bleat loudest about integrity often have the least. Think Gingrich, Hyde, Livingston, Bush, Bennet, Limbaugh, O'Reilly. I hate the false integrity of those who foam a righteous anger while helping themselves to our wallets and committing murder in our name. What am I supposed to think of the integrity of a man who hands over the public airwaves to a handful of corporations but foams at the accidental display of a breast?

I hate the hypocricy of it all.

quote: or you dont think marital infidelity (assuming the story is true and wasnt a fling 20 years ago) shows a lack of integrity?

Let's put it this way. I wouldn't marry someone who had had an affair. I wouldn't care if I were hiring that person for a job (which is what we are doing). What a person does in their personal life is not an indication of what kind of job they will give. It may show that ha has a lack of integrity in his personal relationships, but I'm not gonna marry the man, not even in Massachussetts.

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	13-02-2004 01:23									#128
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quote: Originally posted by yavoon oh and I didnt vote in the primaries. but mccain is from my state.

Did you vote for Bush or Gore. Despite what the media would tell you, Gore had much more integrity than Bush. Or did you ignore the fact that Bush was a snarky liar and theif and deserter and vote for him anyway? If so, where's your integrity?

	13-02-2004 01:24									#129
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Did you vote for Bush or Gore. Despite what the media would tell you, Gore had much more integrity than Bush. Or did you ignore the fact that Bush was a snarky liar and theif and deserter and vote for him anyway? If so, where's your integrity?

dont generally vote for presidents. too little difference.

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I can respect that.

	13-02-2004 01:25									#131
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Che's position seems patently obvious- if voters trully cared about "integrity", dozen of the men who have been president never would have been, including at least the last two elected, if not more. So the people now attacking Kerry for "integrity" are being very selective about their "integrity".

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	13-02-2004 01:27									#133
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara If he's having sex with transsexual midgets, how does that determine the kind of job he's gonna do?

Well it would say to me that he has an abnormal sex life compared to the average american. That might be extrapolated to mean that his opinions on subjects that havent come up for question may also be just as abnormal.

	13-02-2004 01:27									#134
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Integrity... Politician... Who's kidding who here.

Let's get real... just more of the typical mud slinging. Before the electon is over, as usual, there will be mulitple mud slides. People that are making a big deal out of this should look real hard at their own candidates...

Integrety - Politicians...

	13-02-2004 01:28									#135
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Common guys, he is a communist for christs sake. He has no concept of integrity or morality or he would have long ago abandoned such childish drivel.

I would not judge Kerry soley on this issue, but integrity, HONESTY (for you Bush critics out there), and loyalty are a large portion of his grade point average.

You know there are people who can lead AND have all those traits. They long ago gave up on the world.

	13-02-2004 01:28									#136
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quote: Originally posted by GePap Che's position seems patently obvious- if voters trully cared about "integrity", dozen of the men who have been president never would have been, including at least the last two elected, if not more. So the people now attacking Kerry for "integrity" are being very selective about their "integrity".

again someone assumes that integrity is everything.

I think dean actually has damn good integrity. but I disagree w/ so friggin much of what he sez that I couldn't vote for him.

so yah, because ppl elect ppl who have had problems w/ integrity obviously getting mad at someone who has integrity problems is hypocritical.(no)

	13-02-2004 01:29									#137
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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Common guys, he is a communist for christs sake. He has no concept of integrity or morality or he would have long ago abandoned such childish drivel.

The communists are taking over AMERICA

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quote: Originally posted by GePap Che's position seems patently obvious- if voters trully cared about "integrity", dozen of the men who have been president never would have been, including at least the last two elected, if not more. So the people now attacking Kerry for "integrity" are being very selective about their "integrity".

Please refresh my memory, where did Bush show any lack of integrity?

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quote: Originally posted by Patroklos Common guys, he is a communist for christs sake. He has no concept of integrity or morality or he would have long ago abandoned such childish drivel.

I'm gonna let that slide.

	13-02-2004 01:34									#140
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Just saw on CNN TV

WESLEY CLARK TO ENDORSE JOHN KERRY

	13-02-2004 01:34									#141
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara I'm gonna let that slide.

Good. You know he's trolling, right?

I'm also trolling when I say that I'm going to vote for Bush in the upcoming elections, in hopes that he will continue to drive America into the ground.

	13-02-2004 01:36									#142
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"Anyone who thinks this is important deserves only derision and mocking."

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quote: Originally posted by SpencerH Please refresh my memory, where did Bush show any lack of integrity?

Lying about tax cuts
Lying about the war
Insider trading at Harken (and lying about it too)
Taking credit for bills that were passed over his veto in Texas
Allowing a business back into Texas that had had its license pulled for torturing children in its care because it was a poltical contributor
The aircraft carrier stunt
No-bid contracts to politicaly conected firms
Getting Kennedy's support for No Child Left behind and then refusing to fund the program

there's so much I can't remember it all off the top of my head

	13-02-2004 01:38									#144
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quote: Originally posted by Lancer "Anyone who thinks this is important deserves only derision and mocking."

I mock you.

	13-02-2004 01:42									#145
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Lying about tax cuts Lying about the war Insider trading at Harken (and lying about it too) Taking credit for bills that were passed over his veto in Texas Allowing a business back into Texas that had had its license pulled for torturing children in its care because it was a poltical contributor The aircraft carrier stunt No-bid contracts to politicaly conected firms Getting Kennedy's support for No Child Left behind and then refusing to fund the program there's so much I can't remember it all off the top of my head

I dont recognize all of those, but the ones I do know of are only opinions (i.e. spins). Show me the money!

	13-02-2004 01:46									#146
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Che is solid gold in this thread. I agree wholeheartedly with everything he said.

	13-02-2004 01:47									#147
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"I mock you."



Whew! For a moment there I was worried you were going to use derision.

	13-02-2004 01:48									#148
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quote: Originally posted by chegitz guevara Lying about tax cuts Lying about the war Insider trading at Harken (and lying about it too) Taking credit for bills that were passed over his veto in Texas Allowing a business back into Texas that had had its license pulled for torturing children in its care because it was a poltical contributor The aircraft carrier stunt No-bid contracts to politicaly conected firms Getting Kennedy's support for No Child Left behind and then refusing to fund the program there's so much I can't remember it all off the top of my head

Not one of these are true!

	13-02-2004 01:48									#149
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You're French. Even if your not a card-carrying member you're a commie to us anyway

Of course you agree with him, it goes without saying.

	13-02-2004 01:53									#150
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Obviously, if a candidate existed that I could agree with even 50% of the time I might be willing to overlook small problems with integrity. Since that isnt the case, integrity is a big issue and 'gut instinct' is the decider.