21-02-2004 11:17									#61
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it's two weeks before the elections here in greece, i cant be less vague

	21-02-2004 11:18									#62
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Hmm....What do you mean by "Pay for service"?

	21-02-2004 11:22									#63
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i knew someone would ask

examples

pay for access = people paying in order to post

pay for service = people paying for extra stuff (ad-free browsing, bigger avatars, etc)

	21-02-2004 11:25									#64
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG it's two weeks before the elections here in greece, i cant be less vague

Did some quick searching. Looks to be an interesting contest. What is PASOK?

	21-02-2004 11:33									#65
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PAnhellenic (like Panamerican ) SOcialist Movement (Kinima)

they recently invented the single-candidate presidential race. people now dont need to be afraid what will happen if one or the other candidate does if elected but they still have something to vote for and feel like they are doing something important

	21-02-2004 11:45									#66
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Single candidate presidential race? Hmm. Perhaps a thread on Greek elections in the OT? Sure is enough of them on the US carnival.

	21-02-2004 11:47									#67
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Well, I'd be willing to donate some money to keep this site up, running, and (if it could be managed) ad free.

My understanding is that you have enough of a solid community membership here that many of us would even be willing (when combined) to pay enough that it even improves conditions for those not paying.

The obvious problem, as I see it, would be country of residence and any tax/registration legal issues.

If you guys can work that out, however, I'd think a number of us would be willing to pay a little for the benefit of everyone. Sure, you'll have some issues with the free rider problem, perhaps you'd have to provide SOME incentive, but everyone is going to benefit if the number of pop up ads is reduced or ESPECIALLY if we could eliminate them while keeping the site free for most users.

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	21-02-2004 11:52									#68
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the most possible way to do it would be via Paypal

	21-02-2004 12:08									#69
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Paypal would certainly be the easiest.

How hard would the programming be?

	21-02-2004 12:24									#70
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it depends on what benefits subscribers will get and whether we want to have a single choice or more(e.g. being able to pay more to get more stuff)

paypal has some tools to make the process automated so after seting up the system it's administration would not take up much of our time. so we need a system to interact with the paypal server, track payments, make changes to user accounts to give them their benefits and remembers to make the changes back in cases of cancellations or when the subscription ends. and we need a way to subscribe people without paypal for stuff like giveaways or other forms of payment....

	21-02-2004 14:06									#71
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I have been frequenting one or another of these sites since 1999. I would be very happy to subscribe to an ad-free option. I spend so much time here, it is akin to the TV "Cheers" bar. Having a subscription would be like having my own barstool, a very nice illusion of clubbishness.

The whole point of this discussion reduces to two main points. You, the Owners, need to make some money in order to justify your time, energy, and attention; and, we, the site users, would like a more pleasant experience. And I think, at least at first, it should be a very simple deal; for a reasonable price, no adverts...all other conditions remain the same.

Just say when and I'm there.

Monk

	21-02-2004 14:35									#72
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Nooormm!!!!

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I pressume that in order to use paypal, one would need a credit-card?
( I can do home-banking, but don't have a (international) creditcard )

	21-02-2004 16:10									#73
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I second BM:

We really do have a community here on Apolyton.

Though, I would not be able to pay through paypal, as I lack a credit card.

	21-02-2004 16:29									#74
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG people saying that they would like to see some form of subscriprions (always based on the pay-for-service rather than the pay-for-access model) certainly increases the possibility

Nice.

	22-02-2004 00:57									#75
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I also don't have an international credit card, but I'd be willing to pay for a subscription if this helps Poly in some way.

	22-02-2004 01:40									#76
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Well said B.Monk

	22-02-2004 02:45									#77
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ok, since i'm the shadow administrator. here's my proposal.

x = how much revenue Apolyton would gain from ads that they would regularly view (youd have to figure that out)

service=$x+1

service gives you ads-free. nothing else.

	22-02-2004 02:50									#78
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quote: service=$x+1

you're suggesting a pay-per-pageview model?

	22-02-2004 03:19									#79
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You can just support Apolyton by buying a cap or a mug. Right?

	22-02-2004 03:30									#80
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

Yeah, but they get like 4p, it's hardly efficient.

	22-02-2004 04:53									#81
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: service=$x+1 you're suggesting a pay-per-pageview model?

Hey, I'd pay to view a suggestive model per page

	22-02-2004 05:38									#82
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Hehe a rare eight on the DrSpike punometer!

	22-02-2004 08:24									#83
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Very impressive pun!

	22-02-2004 10:18									#84
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: service=$x+1 you're suggesting a pay-per-pageview model?

No.




Unless you meant what alva said

	22-02-2004 16:12									#85
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quote: Originally posted by alva I pressume that in order to use paypal, one would need a credit-card? ( I can do home-banking, but don't have a (international) creditcard )

No, all you need to use PayPal is a bank account and an account with PayPal. The funds are transfered directly from your account.

(at least that's how it worked a year or so ago, that was the last time I looked at PayPal)

	22-02-2004 20:05									#86
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i believe you can use a credit card as well as a bank account (or both)

	22-02-2004 21:14									#87
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quote: Originally posted by MarkG i believe you can use a credit card as well as a bank account (or both)

That's right.

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Dan; Apolyton CS

	23-02-2004 02:51									#88
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Good

Now start setting it up

	23-02-2004 04:13									#89
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You tell 'em, alva.

Tis promising that both admin are commenting on this, perhaps it may yet come to pass.

	23-02-2004 04:38									#90
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It does appear they both seem to be showing interest. We have gone from a "no comment" by Mark to both admins commenting on the useabilty of paypal for this feature.

Perhaps Dan might want to run an interest poll such as he did with ACRS?


Mark and/or Dan, what is the next step?