30-03-2004 05:10									#211
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident cool. I liked chapter 3 as well. They do have 1 little side quest which you have to do (a bit linear there) that may seem pointless to the overall plot. But I found it humorous. Me Go Gem!

yeah, Me Go Gem was quite amusing, at least for a while


I've started going through the Pool of Radiance Module, I give it two I know the plot already, since I first played it on an old IBM 286, using 5 and 1/2" floppies , but its really cool to play it with the NWN engine.

...and I'm still waiting for someone to recommend some high level modules The only one that I've found so far is "sex and the single adventuress"

	30-03-2004 05:15									#212
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quote: Originally posted by Dissident You can use Deekin as a henchman. I like him. and you can find those other 2 dumbasses who ran off into the dungeon as well.

Deekin? That kobold is more trouble than he is worth for me. Always getting in the way. Always seems to cast a spell that knocks me down while I'm in melee. I get torn up when lying on the ground.

I left him somewhere, maybe I'll go looking for him later.

I'm about to finish SOU (I think). Right now I'm an 11th level monk.

	30-03-2004 05:16									#213
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I did the PoR module recently. Its not bad at all apart from the final scene. Then it gets a "B" Wait till you get outside of the city - its huge, and the ziggurat is a real PITA - great design

As for high level modules... I'm more of a level 1-10 freak. I feel that's where the fun is. My HotU character is too powerful for me to identify with. Crits on 10-20 for 120 points of damage??? Ow!

-Jam

	30-03-2004 05:27									#214
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski As for high level modules... I'm more of a level 1-10 freak. I feel that's where the fun is. My HotU character is too powerful for me to identify with. Crits on 10-20 for 120 points of damage??? Ow! -Jam

I've always been just the opposite, even back in the PnP days of my youth, I loved playing high level characters, doing quests for or against Gods, traveling into the different layers of Hell, etc. Good Stuff

I loved HOTU, for the reasons I just described, but it left me wanting more

	30-03-2004 05:35									#215
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I always play Rogues, and I like the "If I don't find that trap, the whole party will die" feel that you only get at low levels. Also when you're level 1, the backstab is such a lethal blow. No monster can take your awesome 2d6+2 damage (ish)

-Jam

	30-03-2004 05:52									#216
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Yeah, don't get me wrong, I'm not sneezing at low level adventures, after your character gets to high levels it sometimes gets hard to remember back to the times when the sight of a single orc or (God forbid) an ogre, made you run scared

Pulling yourself up from being a nobody is part of the fun of being low level, striving torward god-like proportions is (for me at least) the fun of the higher level characters.

	30-03-2004 07:24									#217
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quote: Me Go Gem

quote: Community Expansion Pack

What´s that?
I promise to read your threads carefully next time

Deekin! That was his name! He was my henchman at the last XP, obviulsy he had to be on this new adventure... sadly I had to kill him when he turned against me for some unknown reason I couldn´t resurrect him and had to leave his body there... still he was very tough and the drow girl and me had a lot of trouble trying to kill him, he used all his protective spells and it was almost impossible to hit

	30-03-2004 12:32									#218
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Community Expansion Pack is a BIG hakpak with all the best models, textures weapons etc combined into one thing. Its basically a resorce for builders, but its intended to be the new standard for custom content, so will be required for a lot of the newer modules. Its a 120meg download, but then downloading modules will be much smaller, as the custom content will already be in your haks folder.

Did I say its BIG?

-Jam

	30-03-2004 15:33									#219
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I like mid range characters the best.

I don't like being so helpless at lower levels. Even with parties you are too close to dying. This is really tough in hard core worlds with permanent death.

As I often play clerics, wizards or some other spellcaster. The good spells don't come until later.

Also fighter start to get some seperation from wizards in terms of number of hit points. They really begin to show dominance.

Level 4 to 11 is probably the sweet spot for me.

But then you start getting too powerful, and in order to be a challenge, you have to fight ridculously powerful creatures. And justifying putting these creatures in common areas requires plot devices that often don't work that well.

	31-03-2004 21:39									#220
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Oh gurus of NWN........if the original campaign sucks, and one has an expansion, could one just skip to the expansion, or is the first game a prequel in the overall story?

	31-03-2004 21:53									#221
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Yes, you can. I got bored with the OC, and re-started with the 1st expansion.

You can also start from scratch with the 2nd expansion, but you start with a high level character, whereas the 1st expansion is for starting as a 1st level character. I would suggest using the OC for the tutorial section, in case you aren't familiar with the interface or rules.

	31-03-2004 21:58									#222
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RE. prequal

There is some mention of events of the OC in the 2nd expansion but nothing major. The 2nd expansion is really more of a sequal to the 1st expansion.

	31-03-2004 21:58									#223
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The original campaign did drag out a bit for me. I just finished SoU and really enjoyed it. It's definately shorter than the original but it's good.

I also started HotU and already think it is awesome. Bioware has really done a lot to improve the game over these expansions.

	31-03-2004 22:22									#224
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[quote]The 2nd expansion is really more of a sequal to the 1st expansion.[/quote ]

In fact the 2nd Expansion assumes that your character is the same one as has played through the 1st Expansion.

-Jam

	31-03-2004 22:34									#225
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski [quote]The 2nd expansion is really more of a sequal to the 1st expansion.[/quote ] In fact the 2nd Expansion assumes that your character is the same one as has played through the 1st Expansion. -Jam

Yes that's certainly true, but if someone doesn't play the 1st expansion before the 2nd, they will be just fine and won't miss out on any major parts of the story.

The only part that I can think of is the reappearance of a certain henchman.

	31-03-2004 22:40									#226
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Thanks all. Since so many have posted to say the original campaign sucked I'll skip it. Obviously if you carried your character through I'd be more inclined to play them in sequence. If you start the 1st expansion from scratch then I'll start there.

	31-03-2004 22:52									#227
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The OC is alright. Both XPs are better, though, especially the 2nd. An awesome atmosphere.

You start level 1 in SoU. You can start with a high level character, but you'll meet very easy monsters, so don't. In HoTU, you start at level 15. You can "recycle" your SoU character, who should finish around that level. If you start HoTU with a lesser character, you'll be given 105,000 XP at the start and have to level up (manually or automated).

	31-03-2004 22:54									#228
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You do indeed start the first expansion with a fresh level 1 character, well at least you are supposed to. A character who had completed the OC would simply PWN the 1st expansion so much it wouldn't be fun.

I do reccommend you play at least the Prologue to the OC though, as a kind of introduction to the game, so you can see what works and what sucks when building a character.

And if you want to start in the second expansion, you can get your character up to almost exactly the level required to start (15th level) by hacking through the Dungeon of Apolyton. Everyone likes that.

-Jam

	31-03-2004 23:00									#229
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Well I don't have the second one yet. I expect I'll choose to play it when I get it with the character that finishes the first expansion.

Don't worry, I'll definitely try DoA anyway.

	31-03-2004 23:04									#230
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Doc, I must have missed this somewhere, your transformation into a RPG "frieeeack" like me You got KOTOR and BG2 last week, NWN today, and you are trying to get hold of BG1....?

Is that right?

That's about a month of doing nothing but gaming to play all that lot

Make sure you don't lose too much sleep/job/wife/food, eh?

-Jam

	31-03-2004 23:11									#231
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quote: Originally posted by Jamski Doc, I must have missed this somewhere, your transformation into a RPG "frieeeack" like me You got KOTOR and BG2 last week, NWN today, and you are trying to get hold of BG1....? Is that right? That's about a month of doing nothing but gaming to play all that lot Make sure you don't lose too much sleep/job/wife/food, eh? -Jam

Well BG/BG2 has been put on the back burner, though I am sure I will play it after your reviews.

I am almost done on KOTOR now, and I really enjoyed it. Probably I should have looked again sooner at a genre I was put off of a long time ago by the RPG's that were mainstream at that time.

As to the rest, I only need 7 hours a day/ it's holidays so I have no students to teach, and research is drawing to a close since I leave for a new job in July/we're not married yet! Also I am adept at fitting in gaming hours around spending time with my gf/I still have time to eat.

	31-03-2004 23:43									#232
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quote: Originally posted by Sir Ralph In HoTU, you start at level 15. You can "recycle" your SoU character, who should finish around that level. If you start HoTU with a lesser character, you'll be given 105,000 XP at the start and have to level up (manually or automated).

Hmmm... I started with a level 13 monk carried over from SoU. Didn't give me any exp. I think if you are level 12 or higher you should be fine.

	01-04-2004 01:18									#233
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It gives you the EXP for 15th level unless you are already 12th or higher. Of course, if you are lower, then the encounters will give you more EXP, bring you level by the middle of chapter 2 or so, and if you are higher, they will give you less or no EXP, with the same result.

-Jam

	01-04-2004 01:19									#234
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I'm presuming I should just install the game, then the expansion, then the 1.62 patch for the first expansion. Is that right?

	01-04-2004 01:20									#235
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quote: Originally posted by Doc I'm presuming I should just install the game, then the expansion, then the 1.62 patch for the first expansion. Is that right?

That is correct.

	01-04-2004 03:18									#236
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quote: Originally posted by SirOsis Hmmm... I started with a level 13 monk carried over from SoU. Didn't give me any exp. I think if you are level 12 or higher you should be fine.

Yes, if you start the campaign as level 12, 13 or 14 character, you won't be given the XP to level up to 15. Still you'll be able to play the game. I already regret, that I started with a new level 15 fighter/dwarven defender. Right now I'm in the mid of chapter 2, am level 22 (10 fighter, 12 dwarven defender), have 32 strength (with items, I can carry over 1700 pounds), am wielding a dire mace +5, +2d6 cold, +2 regeneration, for which I have epic focus, specialization and improved crit, have more than 300 hit points even without my boots of striding, and there's virtually nothing what can seriously threaten me anymore. Wish there was a bit of a challenge left.

	01-04-2004 03:32									#237
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I thought I was unkillable untill I met some of the "boss fights" in chapter 2 - in particular a certain dracolich and a certain dead-magic infected spide zone. Now Chapter 3 is killing even my girl with the hacked Katana of Jamskianna Mu

-Jam

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Are you a fan of the drow girl too? She's awesome, execopt that she can't deal with traps, what I would expect from a partial rogue. But she made me forget the losers I resurrected in chaprter 1 ßpretty quick.

Ugh, it's harfd to tpye with several liters of bavarian beer inside.

	01-04-2004 03:59									#239
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If its Erdinger I'm managing OK tonight rost:

She's very cool indeed, especially her voice when she says "Gut gemacht!" I told her to concentrate on being an Assassin, not a wizard, and I keep telling her to cast Stoneskin and Invisibilty on herself to keep her alive a bit. Its good that I still have 27 charges or something in that rod of ressurection the babe in the Prologue gave me.

-Jam

	01-04-2004 05:28									#240
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Yep, you even get a magical item that´s supposed to be from that previous adventure IIRC...