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So how would you propose that Apolyton generate revenue?
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Not my concern. Only that it wont be done using underhand tactics and my bandwidth. If I were using dialup it would be costing me money. I have never bought anything from a pop-up, they are an annoyance and an impedence. They serve no useful purpose to me, I therefore eliminate them on my computer. This is reasonable. What is not reasonable is making a condition "you cannot use this website if you have your computer set up in a certain way". It is environmental and consequential, in other words, not the business of Apolyton.
However I have bought a book from Amazon, which I accessed using a link (then nav'd to the books section). Keep that up.
Other forums of which I am a member (Ektopos.com and politicsforum.org (I am BenElijah on both)) do not have pop-ups or the like. See how they finance.
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Whaleboy
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And you're popups are not their concern. They can put whatever conditions on membership they want, and you can take it or leave it.
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I take it, it hits my browser, my browser rejects it. Apolyton's "jurisdiction" so to speak ends when it sends the data packets whirring to my ISP.
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hey can put whatever conditions on membership they want, and you can take it or leave it. |
Indeed, but there are levels of reasonability, you could call it a sphere of contractualism in that respect, where it is reasonable to make such a contract. I have described that above. Is it a condition of using Apolyton that I have to give rah my left kidney?
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don't use an underhand way of getting round it.
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It's hardly underhand. Its a recognised piece of technology that is regarded by IT people as a useful tool, recommended for use on the internet by people like you and me. I am using popular and intended features of my browser. I have the pop-up blocker enabled and only images from the originating website can get through. No hacking, nothing underhand, nothing cloak and dagger. Just the ability to click onto the options menu. I don't see a problem there. In terms of contractualism of course  .
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Originally posted by Whaleboy
Indeed, but there are levels of reasonability, you could call it a sphere of contractualism in that respect, where it is reasonable to make such a contract. I have described that above. Is it a condition of using Apolyton that I have to give rah my left kidney? |
If the owners wish to make it so, then yes. They provide the rules, you have the freedom to accept or not. Your call.
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It's hardly underhand. Its a recognised piece of technology that is regarded by IT people as a useful tool, recommended for use on the internet by people like you and me. I am using popular and intended features of my browser. I have the pop-up blocker enabled and only images from the originating website can get through. No hacking, nothing underhand, nothing cloak and dagger. Just the ability to click onto the options menu. I don't see a problem there. In terms of contractualism of course . |
And they're using a recognised piece of technology, that has been a useful tool and is used by IT professionals too. It's called a pop-up. It's not underhand either. It's expected and above board. If you don't like it, don't agree to the terms and conditions.
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Whaleboy
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Nothing that you have mentioned has addressed the fact that this is a privately owned site and they have the right to determine conditions of use. Your choice is to abide by them or risk the consequences of having broken these rules.
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That is true, but you have not addressed the problem I have that the conditions made are unreasonable.
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If the owners wish to make it so, then yes. They provide the rules, you have the freedom to accept or not. Your call.
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Now I could argue that I signed up in Jan 2003, where there was nothing that said I must have pop-up blockers turned off etc. I agreed to those conditions and am thus a member. I have largely abided by those conditions since then, and where I havent, on 2/3 occasions IIRC I have been penalised. I abide by the conditions as of Jan 2003 and have not been asked to agree to new terms on condition of my continued posting. The fact that I am still doing so attests to that fact. It is a ridiculous proposition.
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And they're using a recognised piece of technology, that has been a useful tool and is used by IT professionals too. It's called a pop-up. It's not underhand either. It's expected and above board. If you don't like it, don't agree to the terms and conditions.
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Actually it's pretty much loathed accross the IT industry.
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It is your choice to be here. Those are the rules. What is so hard to get about that?
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Not when I signed up. The best attack against your position is as I said earlier, even if I agreed to let Apolyton send my the pop-up data via the internet, which they do, they do not stipulate how I use it. It does not display on my computer, but that is my end. Do they stipulate the contrast and brightness on my monitor? If they stated that the contrast had to be at a certain level on condition of my using the site, would that be reasonable? I think not. The same situation is occuring here, yet as it is internal to the computer it is harder to perceive than in physical terms, yet conceptually and logically it is the same.
You send me the data. I do what I want with it. I do not want to display pop-ups so I reject that data that has been sent to my computer (apolyton jurisdiction over) and display only what I want. That is reasonable. Now whether or not I am breaking an agreement (which I do not believe I am but if so, it is some few words I didnt read) is trivial in comparison to the issue that such a demand is unreasonable. Furthermore, it is untenable within four months, and increasingly so now as alternative browsers with pop-up blockers are becoming more common. That would seem to render this argument academic.
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