05-02-2004 21:57									#181
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

If I had to shut down a popup for every thread I browsed while at work as I seem to have to at home then I would not be browsing here at all. I didn't mind occasional britney popups but there seems to be an avalanche of new intrusive ads lately (10 popups in this session alone so far, 90% eBay.)

I think you need to strike a careful balance here. Too few and you earn no income. Too many and almost everyone is going to reluctantly reach for a blocker even if they feel your site deserves strong support.

	05-02-2004 22:10									#182
	Support Apolyton, buy GURPS/ Alpha Centauri

quote: If I had to shut down a popup for every thread I browsed

nothing like this has been reported lately. what's your operating system/browser? do you have cookies enabled?

	06-02-2004 00:35									#183
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: if you need something like that to be in the official user policy, we'll be adding that specifically.

Well if it's a condition of using the site, with users being penalised as a result of them using pop-up blockers (can you confirm that you have a method of finding out, and whether or not there are exceptions per OS, browser, or firewalls etc), then you most certainly need to specify that. Be careful though, since very many people (not quite sure of numbers but you're most likely talking way over 30%) have either a pop-up blocker installed for IE, or are using Mozilla, Firebird or Opera (and the numbers there are increasing), that have pop-up protection. Firebird iirc has it enabled by default, and from the perspective of a general internet user, it makes sense to have them (possible security risk, takes up time, convenience etc etc).

By stipulating as a condition of use that we cannot use this software, or have it at a certain setting (which is disruptive the rest of our internet activities), you may well be alienating a lot of people, and given the spread of this technology, it is not a decision I would take in your place. Also consider this:
http://www.ojr.org/ojr/glaser/1071011476.php

The next version of IE will have an integrated pop-up blocker. Would you stipulate then that we must have pop-up blockers off?

I'm not going to tell you how to run your business but in as far as I can go, I advise you to revise this policy, and also prepare an alternate funding method, as pop-ups would seem to be doomed.

I will continue to use Mozilla with the pop-up blocker enabled, I have never purchased anything from such a link, nor will I. I prefer Mozilla to any other browser, it has features that I use regularly, I do not have IE installed. Generally speaking, I find the pop-up blocker to be useful to me and increasing my productivity. I have used Amazon via your links so I have generated revenue for the site. Will you publicise a change in the terms and conditions?

	06-02-2004 01:53									#184
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

We have stated lots of times that using pop-up blockers is harming Apolyton. However we have not yet penalized anyone for doing such a thing. And yes, we can implement systems to even block these users.

Now if you want to hear it in an official tone, as of now, not using pop-up blockers is part of the user policy that you agree to by browsing our site.

	06-02-2004 15:12									#185
	Help yourself to an AD-FREE life

* Ari Rahikkala pops by using Lynx

Really, though, I'm not sure if I've told about it before, but I'm among the very small group of people who have a popup "blocker" (I call it Mozilla Firebird) but enable pop-ups for Apolyton as an exception because of... well, partly loyalty, and partly a personally given oath...

... come to think of it, if I have, it was probably in this thread...

	06-02-2004 18:13									#186
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

quote: Now if you want to hear it in an official tone, as of now, not using pop-up blockers is part of the user policy that you agree to by browsing our site.

Ok, but I politely request that you make this public, with people free to voice their objections if they desire. I will exempt Apolyton from my pop-up blocker unless they become too annoying, and upon any changes to that status I will notify you by PM. I also ask that you acknowledge my objection. I will make the changes later today. Be aware that I also access Apolyton at college which is about to impliment a pop-up blocker, so you should consider those that also access this site via computers over whose settings they do not have complete control.

What do you intend to do when pop-ups are effectively rendered obsolete and useless when the next version of IE is released?

	06-02-2004 18:19									#187
	Tired of ads?

quote: What do you intend to do when pop-ups are effectively rendered obsolete and useless when the next version of IE is released?

if/when that happens, pop-ups will be replace by other similar types of ads that already exist (pop-ins, layer ads, etc)

	06-02-2004 18:58									#188
	Support Apolyton, pre-order Civilization IV

Or we could have a nice easy subscription model.

	06-02-2004 20:05									#189
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

...which would probably pay Poly more than it would get from these popups (particularly blocked ones).

	06-02-2004 21:58									#190
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

quote: if/when that happens, pop-ups will be replace by other similar types of ads that already exist (pop-ins, layer ads, etc)

Provided they are not intrusive, do not open or hijack existing windows, then you will hear no complaint from me . Now I have to go and research those types of ads...

	08-02-2004 15:37									#191
	Enter the AD-FREE zone

I am seeing ever larger numbers of popups at the moment, though no dangerous ones as yet. What's the frequency you expect Mark?

	08-02-2004 17:49									#192
	Re: A little reason here.... Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by Kahn Out of curiosity has anyone here ever bought any product advertised by a pop-up?

I make a point of not

I've taken to blocking the buggers, some of them spawn more popups and I am prepared to allow so much but it is getting beyond a joke...

	10-02-2004 15:45									#193
	Browse Apolyton AD-FREE

quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: If I had to shut down a popup for every thread I browsed nothing like this has been reported lately. what's your operating system/browser? do you have cookies enabled?

This (work) PC is Windows 2000 SP4, IE 5, cookies enabled but behind a series of firewalls that I know nothing about but which do filter out most undesirable content. I've just run spybot and got rid of anything it found.

Going forums -> community -> this thread -> reply has already launched 3 popups: Travel Express, Ebay x2.

(edit) Hitting post brought up another then hitting edit to add this comment brought up a ladbrokes ad.

	11-02-2004 19:50									#194
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by MarkG We have stated lots of times that using pop-up blockers is harming Apolyton. However we have not yet penalized anyone for doing such a thing. And yes, we can implement systems to even block these users. Now if you want to hear it in an official tone, as of now, not using pop-up blockers is part of the user policy that you agree to by browsing our site.

Mark, can you offer an alternative? Is the "Ad-free" membership going to be available anytime soon?



Please...

	17-02-2004 10:47									#195
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

OK - I'm not getting rid of my pop up blocker because it's built in and I can't specify which sites to show pop ups. I'd be happy to do so for Poly, but I can't stand the mountain of porno pics I seem to get when I have pop ups turned on. There is no Google Toolbar on the mac because Safari has Google search built in.

But I've switched to the normal style. I was using special, but didn't know it meant.

I guess I'll have to buy a mug.

	17-02-2004 16:37									#196
	Increase the size of your Attachments

Hold on, popups galore appear but I don't think there are any porno ones.

	17-02-2004 17:25									#197
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Hold on, popups galore appear but I don't think there are any porno ones.

I should have been clearer. On the mac there is no easy way of specifying which sites are allowed to serve popups and which are not. We don't have the Google toolbar as it is not needed.

If I turn off pop ups, it means I have to suffer them from every site I visit. This is the case with all the major Mac browsers: IE, Safari, Omniweb, Firefox, Camino, etc.

	17-02-2004 17:41									#198
	Support Apolyton or Terrorists Win

Ah, that sucks. Get a PC.

	17-02-2004 18:17									#199
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by DrSpike Ah, that sucks. Get a PC.

And put up with the constant spyware and malware that causes even more pop ups? No thanks.

	18-02-2004 07:48									#200
	Lose 30 kilos (of popups)

I used to enjoy coming to this site alot. But lately the popups have been extremely annoying. Im getting atleast 5 everytime I reload or load a page and there homosexual-scat content is somewhat pushing the edge. Im bombarded by pictures of young hot studs want me to click on there wide open orfices.

I just registered so you could here whats going on here. Why are porn ads in rotation on a game content web server/site?


To the owners,

Is this neccessary?

	18-02-2004 07:50									#201
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by Agathon And put up with the constant spyware and malware that causes even more pop ups? No thanks.

get spyblast. it free and it blasts the spyware!
http://www.spyblast.com/

	18-02-2004 10:04									#202
	Tired of ads?

quote: homosexual-scat content

i'd like exact examples(screenshots) of that...

	18-02-2004 11:37									#203
	Support Apolyton buy from Amazon

Must...resist...commenting...

	18-02-2004 12:48									#204
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

Yeah

pppphhhhhttttt!!!!!

	18-02-2004 16:45									#205
	Avatar Enlargement: We've got the solution

quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: homosexual-scat content i'd like exact examples(screenshots) of that...

A poor choice of words Mark.

	18-02-2004 18:59									#206
	Remove this text

i do like to mix pleasure(a good chance for others to... comment) with work(responding to user complaints/feedback)

	19-02-2004 01:25									#207
	Support Apolyton, buy Call to Power 2

OK - well I found a browser that will let me allow only popups from Poly, but I've had two in two clicks. I thought it was supposed to be less.

	19-02-2004 01:34									#208
	Tired of ads?

OK - for mac users that want to help out Poly, use this browser, Omniweb 5.0 Beta 2 and set the site preferences for Poly never to block pop ups.

That should keep Marcos happy.

Here's a screenie. Lovely looking browser too.

Attachment: picture 1.jpg
This has been downloaded 93 time(s).

	19-02-2004 04:47									#209
	Support Apolyton, buy Civilization: The Boardgame

quote: Originally posted by MarkG quote: homosexual-scat content i'd like exact examples(screenshots) of that...

its spyware . Since I cleaned out my system Im only gettign 1 cheap tickets ad and really the popups arent bad at all and I dont understand the complaints.

I urge everyone to run Spybot asap. the source of pop-ups may not be this site but a third party for some of us.


I notice there are less ads? Before I had blinking porn ads all over the Apolyton site. It says at the top apolyton civilization site. Before it was a rancid ad


My apology. I will be on my way now

	28-02-2004 05:57									#210
	Full PM-box? Change here!

For some reason I cant find how to exempt Apolyton on my browser... so its blanket pop-up blocking from now on. That's ok, means Apolyton runs faster. Looks like some kittens are going to die...

Images are also going off soon... the amount of music I download requires efficient bandwidth usage.