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Cinematography mainly deals with lighting, and framing. Composition. It is not the entirety of what makes a film look good. The decision of whether to track or not to track is the director's. The final decision of where to put the camera is the director's. Besides, City of God had an even larger ensemble cast (or so it seemed to me), and even better acting. |
Err... no? Its not untypical for the cinematographer to place the camera, particularly with more experienced cinematographers (and incidentally, the cine. for City of God was one César Charlone, a far more experienced cine than Fernando Meirelles was a director or cine.)
The majority of shot choices are a collaboration effort between the director and cinematographer... except in Kubrick-like cases... but those are more the exception than the rule. Micromanagement is typically counterproductive.
Edit- and no... City of God didn't have 26 major ensemble roles. You'd have to look at a film like Gosford Park (Altman) to see anything comparible.
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Frankly, even though it wasn't my favorite movie of the year (that would be Kill Bill, notable for not being nominated last night), I think that ROTK was a richly-deserving film that actually earned the many accolades thrown on it. Peter Jackson has revitalized the serial form (as B5 and the X-Files (first 4 seasons) did for TV) and for that achievement alone he deserves the B. Picture.
And it's irrelevant if the award should mean "best picture of the year" (Amadeus) or "thanks for the memories" (Al Pacino, Paul Newman) or "You made a lot of us wealthy and employed the rest at one time or another during the production of this (and other) film(s)" (Titanic, LOTR, Julia Roberts) or "damn, you're a brilliant in-fighter" (Shakespeare in Love, Gladiator) or "we waited until we saw you had staying power" (LOTR, Denzel Washington). The awards mean what they need to mean to the people voting for them at that time. That's why they're so damned predictably unpredictable. Yes, of course we all knew LOTR was going to be a big winner... but all of them?? Wow.
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Not automatically, but it does take more effort to do the 30 story one, and someone who does a GREAT 30 story building deserves more applaud than someone who does a GREAT 5 story apartment, becuase it is more difficult to be great on a large scale. |
A) I think most architects and engineers would disagree with you, but whatever.
B) Only when all things are equal. Your original point was that you thought it was more difficult to direct 500 people in a coherent battle scene than three people in a conversation. Apples and oranges. If it were a 500 person conversation, then I agree that scale might become a factor.
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How said they were up for consideration? I brought them up to make the point of just how much was filmed and the tough choices made to decide what to keep or cut to get the films in at under 3 hours. |
But that's my point. If Jackson felt he needed to film a billion hours of footage to make 3 three hour long movies, that's his perogative. It doesn't make the achievement any greater. If I need to produce a five page report, do you think I'll get more credit for it if I draft up 70 page report and trim it down to five? It's the end product that matters.
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Same principles? What same principles? Each of the LoTR instalments were nominated, and each won critical praise as films, not just as event pics or action extravaganzas.
I could say there are commoin principles between Mystic River and Beaches, or any tragic drama, including the bad ones. Or between Seabicuit and Rudy (or other historical sport movies). All such comparisons would be equally faulty and invalid. |
The same principles that because someone gets a hard-on for the LotR genre and fantasizes about being Aragon doesn't mean that a movie put together from their favorite fantasy novel that doesn't suck automatically vaults it into the "best movie ever made" category. My point was that you can like Star Wars and still recognize its faults, just like you can like LotR and recognize its faults. Just as you point out, you can be be a fan of historical sports movies but that doesn't mean that Rudy warrants any special consideration for movie of the year from any technical standpoint.
Anyway, as much fun as it is drawing the ire of hard-core LotR crowd, maybe I'll just concede the point. The three LotR movies are the best ever made and that ever will be made, using any category you could possibly judge by.
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MrBaggins
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Originally posted by -Jrabbit
Am I the only one who thinks that Lost In Translation was a small, narrative-free coversation piece? Nothing really happens, nothing makes me care about either character, there's absolutely no conflict or catharsis. Even as a character study, I think it's flawed -- albeit in a very pretty way.
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Surely not the only one, as I mentioned in a thread a while back. I just didn't connect with the film. It wouldn't even rate a top 10 finish on the year from me... but then I watch a *lot* of movies... roughly about a movie a day, so your millage may vary.
I agree about the improvisation bit. The reason Murray got so close to the award for Best Actor was that he was putting in most of the heavy lifting in LiT. He did indeed make Sophia look good, where the film might have been truly dire with a lesser actor.
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I hope I'm not being lumped in with the "hard-core LOTR crowd".
I'm only a very casual fantasy fan, and LOTR isn't even my favorite fantasy book. I wasn't entirely sold on the first film (theatrical version), either. In fact, I thought it a sad commentary on Hollywood that the theatrical version of the first film was considered one of the five best films of the year. The extended cut was 100% better, and each film and extended cut since has steadily improved. I'm a latecomer to the whole LOTR thing, but I have absolutely no qualms whatsoever about stating my opinion:
absolutely, positively, in nearly every way imaginable, ****ing brilliant.
(My biggest beef--is there a red-blooded heterosexual male here who, if given the choice, would take Arwen over Eowyn, especially how they were portrayed in the films? Aragorn is an ass-kicker extraordinaire, but I question his taste in the ladies.)
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MrBaggins
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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The reason Murray got so close to the award for Best Actor was that he was putting in most of the heavy lifting in LiT. He did indeed make Sophia look good, where the film might have been truly dire with a lesser actor. |
Seeing as how Sophia wrote the part FOR HIM SPECIFICALLY, I don't see how him doing the 'heavy lifting' takes away from Sophia's great work.
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Well... Murray didn't particularly need direction considering he's seen and been involved in more productions than Sophia's been alive for.
Plus he did enough improv, that its somewhat surprising that he wasn't up for the Original Screenplay, for co-writer.
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Anyone know good sites where these would be listed? Anyone? Imran? |
www.imdb.com |
I found a couple of interesting links here and here.
As for the link you gave me,
that just HAS to be incorrect... I mean... Starwars got no Best Picture wins (in 5 attempts)??? That must really sting with your being a StarWars fan and all, especially with the sweep by ROTK this year.
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02-03-2004 01:27
. It's simply a more inflammatory way to say it was 'due'. They felt other movies were better than its predecessors, so decided they had to make it up to them. Kind of like how Russell Crowe won from 'Gladiator', even though he didn't deserve it, because he didn't win for 'The Insider'. I just saw he/she/it was due more crudely 
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Give me a break. I never said that any LoTR is the greast movie evr made- I prefered Lost in translation and American Splendor, and Nemo this year. BUt LoTR is the biggest epic ever made, a daring production and a worthy winner.
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