01-08-2004 12:01									#61
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We need giant fighting robot, uber powered modified humans and magically changing school girls so i can pretend i'm in an anime/manga future.

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	02-08-2004 00:27									#62
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Very good ideas all of them

	03-08-2004 15:51									#63
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Even mine?

Not that mines bad...hell i could then make a good Xenogears civ game (Xenosaga series would be more difficul, although a gnosis invasion idea could work).

	08-12-2004 02:52									#64
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I feel that the space techs come too abruptly in Civ3. Before we reach Alpha Centauri, there should be space stations constructed, outposts built on other planets/moons in the solar system, and so forth.

I would very much like to see the colonization of the Moon, Mars, Io, Titan, the asteroid belt, and Alpha Centauri in the game as a real estate land-grab phase, similar to the opening of the regular game, where settlers vie for the best sites and resources. Having these worlds viewable on a separate screen would not be hard to do, with toggles to switch between the different worlds.

Rather than have the space between planets/moons be a playable surface (3D space would be too vast for workable gameplay), perhaps just the immediate layer of space around a planet, including moons, would be playable.

I would also like to see a full implementation of the greenhouse effect. In the current Civ3, you cannot advance far enough in global warming to see desertification, and the seas never rise nor dry up.

	08-12-2004 03:04									#65
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Yeah, space is currently tooo empty...

	08-12-2004 22:24									#66
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Colonizing planets and seeing them playable would be quite a deviation from standard Civ formula, which does remain on historically known stuff. Not that I'm against it, though.

I guess also, the Alpha Centauri colony could be replaced by a Mars colony to win, as with the current tech we still have a long way to go till we can send ships to AC, but AC is a Civ tradition by now.

	09-12-2004 14:28									#67
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AC, Alien Life, and Gaia are goofy pie-in-the-sky stuff. So are Doomsday weapons. "Let's jump straight from current (laughable) space/genetics tech to near-light-speed interstellar transport!" We need a real space race (almost straight from my comments in the Civ3 List):

1. Getting to orbit (small WoW)
2. Building satellites
3. Exploring the moon (WoW)
4. Remote planetary exploration
5. Better satellites
6. Exploitation of lunar resources
7. Gradual development of interplanetary transport technology
8. Orbital industry of scale worth including
9. Manned exploration of inner system
10. Orbital colonization
11. Way in the future, planetary colonization

	09-12-2004 16:12									#68
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quote: Originally posted by Solver Colonizing planets and seeing them playable would be quite a deviation from standard Civ formula, which does remain on historically known stuff.

Just to pointing some historical facts then:
- Moon has been already visited by Apollo 8, 10, 13 on orbit (13 flew over moon actually) and 11,12, 14-17 with landings, total 12 people were walking on the moon. It would be awesome to have a small map of the moon in the game, where a lander could land (for some additional victory points?)
- All planets in our solar system apart from Pluto have been visited by unmanned probe vessels. Venus had 3 "Venera" russian landers - they kinda rusted within hours there actually - just harsh planet Mars already has infestation of earth vessels and other "race cars", not counting that one bounced from the atmosphere and another having hard landing on the martian northern pole. Also the biggest moon of Saturn, Titan, will have a landing very soon. If I am not mistaken something is flying to Pluto now?

I think exploration ofspace is cool and already historical.

	09-12-2004 22:13									#69
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And those historical facts show why other solar bodies in Civ4 aren't that much of a good idea. So people have landed on the Moon. Right. That could be done in Civ, I suppose, as a wonder or something else. But realistically, those people did nothing there. We have done nothing in space so far. There is no human-made construction (other than those landing rovers and such) on any other planet, let alone colonies. While to have a separate playable solar body in Civ4, IMO, it would require at least a colony there. Or what's the point of landing someone there? Victory points aren't what Civ is about.

	10-12-2004 18:45									#70
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I also think, that exploration of the solar system is a good topic for a separate game. However, it has already started, so how it might be represented? Maybe as you say by small or great wonders, combined with some excellent and pleasing eye graphics that should work very well.

I wouldn't be afraid though to go to the nearest future just a bit. While some people do not need it really or even avoid it, others may lack it. I find interesting all earth's history and very much enjoy both playing historic games and science fiction games. On the other hand, as it has been already proposed, I would also replace a colony ship to Alpha Centauri with a colony ship to Moon or Mars. I would prefer to see colonization of solar system as a separate game. Maybe Firaxis might do something like that one day.

	10-12-2004 18:56									#71
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All nice and good, but the benefits it gives to a civ are minor at best. If you want to consider it a small wonder, you would need to show a good, reasonable bonus it should give. Frankly, I don't see one. Remember, it's CIV we're talking a bout. It's on Earth.

	28-12-2004 00:15									#72
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What I would love to see is to have Atari update Alpha Centari and include it with CIV IV. These could be played as seperate playable games or as an uber-epic game in which ACII is played after a space race victory in CIV IV.

I know it will never happen, but what a great addition that would be....

The next best thing is the ideas that have been discussed, a logical thought out exploration of the solar system.

The only problem I see with Straybow's list is not including space stations in his list. Some addition of Space tourism could also be included.

	30-12-2004 14:58									#73
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There was the Sweep of Time idea... too bad the dino thing failed.

	06-01-2005 06:31									#74
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A LARGE Martian colony - more the size of a Martian nation. Having an eariler technology for a moon colony would be nice, then the lunar residents go to Mars.

	06-01-2005 06:58									#75
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quote: Originally posted by Mad Bomber What I would love to see is to have Atari update Alpha Centari and include it with CIV IV. These could be played as seperate playable games or as an uber-epic game in which ACII is played after a space race victory in CIV IV.

Simple... play cIV, win with spaceship victory, eject CD, insert SMAC CD, voila.

	06-01-2005 07:52									#76
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quote: Originally posted by Kuciwalker Simple... play cIV, win with spaceship victory, eject CD, insert SMAC CD, voila.

Exactly. Everyone who wants the game to continue with colonies on the Moon, Mars, Alpha Centauri, etc. is talking about a different game. The resources for the game's development should go into making a Civ game, not 'half Civ/half Alpha Centauri'.

	06-01-2005 09:32									#77
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ToT did extraterrestrial environments and units. Can't be that hard.

	06-01-2005 11:03									#78
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow ToT did extraterrestrial environments and units. Can't be that hard.

I think it is more about possible loosing players due to "future techs" stuff. A lot of people are turned off by anything having science fiction in it. For this reason it would be better not to include it there.

	07-01-2005 02:55									#79
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quote: Originally posted by Straybow ToT did extraterrestrial environments and units. Can't be that hard.

If you don't want to strain the credulity of the player, then yes.

	07-01-2005 05:55									#80
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I also don't want to see those walking "mech" robots from Japanese cartoons, armored soldiers with laser-blasters, matter teleporters, or warp-drive engines. Save that stuff for mods and scenarios!

If any future tech stuff is in the game, it should be near-future stuff - stuff that we could visualize existing within the next 20-50 years. If a Mars or Alpha Centauri colony is in the game, it should be a victory condition, not a new,separate map to play on! Like I said above, save that stuff for mods and scenarios!

	10-01-2005 20:04									#81
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Victory condition: Alien life project
I don't want it to be a victory condition, but just something that gives some extra score so the player can come on the highscore list... it should be a little random though, so it's not in every game you'll be able to find life on other planets

Interplanetary travel, moon and Mars colonies
I don't want these colonies just to be "cities on other planets", but more like just science colonies. You wont be able to walk around with units on the Moon or Mars and attack other colonies or something like that... it only gives a boost in science to have these colonies... When you have such colonies, then each turn there's a small chance to find life... the more colonies you have, the higher the chance

Biochemical warfare
Sure, just make sure that if a nation uses this, then most other countries will hate you more

Robotic military units
Sure, as long it's not too much into the future

Doomsday weapons (like planet-busters)
Sounds interesting if it's not an instant "game over" weapon

Science-fiction governments
More governments are always great to have...

	10-01-2005 22:25									#82
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Science-fiction governments

They're usually one-dimensional and kinda inane.

	10-01-2005 23:44									#83
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Of course when I said yes to science fiction governments I had in mind that the governments part of the game is the same as it was in SMAC

I didn't care much about it how the science-fiction governments were in ctp, and I defently wouldn't want to see them if they keep the same model for governments as in Civ3

	11-01-2005 04:29									#84
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Compared to civ1/2/3, CTP governments were multidimensional, in effect if not in verbose description. The standard civ governments can be placed neatly on a single line, with the decision being strong economy or strong for warfare.

While it was never explicitly stated in the manuals, a close analysis of the ctp government models (as was done prior to making various mods) revealed some stark differences on many dimensions. For example, communism in civ2/3 is a one dimensional war monster, but in ctp, the primary characteristic was high industry and obscene amounts of pollution.

The ctp engine allowed for tonnes more modding into governments. If nothing else, it is worth examining it to see teh vast number of variables that could be modded into governments. Civ3 is primitive in comparison.

	11-01-2005 06:21									#85
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Yes, but CtP sucked.

	11-01-2005 08:19									#86
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That you for your well-thought-out response. I shall take your thoughts into consideration.

	11-01-2005 08:26									#87
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I just purchased ctp2 after rediscovering ctp1. Some of the concepts in call to power were quite good. I do like the variety in governments found in ctp over civ.

I'm yet to try any modding in ctp.

	11-01-2005 20:52									#88
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quote: Originally posted by Solver So people have landed on the Moon. Right. That could be done in Civ, I suppose, as a wonder or something else. But realistically, those people did nothing there. We have done nothing in space so far. There is no human-made construction (other than those landing rovers and such) on any other planet, let alone colonies.

That's what they WANT you to think!

	13-01-2005 21:39									#89
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How about introducing the concept of religion to go along with culture like they have in Europa Universalis. Make it more likely that two nations with the same religion, like Spain & France, would ally.

	13-01-2005 21:41									#90
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Not exactly a high-tech feature...