06-03-2004 21:13									#1
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I'm just wondering, has anyone catalogued the two sets of specials. I mean for each kind of terrain (except grass), you can have two kinds of specials.
But when I want to know what I'm going to come up with when I transform the land. If I drain the peat and transform to hills, will it be wine or coal? if I mine the buffalo, will it be Game or silk? there is some hints in the terrain trans civilopedia (mine stopped working, I have to reinstall sometime), but there should be two sets of specials, and you could never transform a kind of one set to one of the other. Naturally, you can't transform TO desert, tundra, glacier, jungle, swamp, or mountains. But with engineers, you can get plains, hills, or forest (and grassland, but with no specials) out of any terrain.

	06-03-2004 21:41									#2
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Did you read Info: Settlers?
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	07-03-2004 20:15									#3
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Copied and pasted from my tips sheet. Sorry I don't have a name to give credit to, but this list was very useful in my civving days:

Buffalo: Mine to Pheasant
Coal: Transform to Buffalo
Fruit: Transform to Wheat
Furs: Transform to Oil(in Desert)
Pheasant: Irrigate to Buffalo
Musk Ox: Transform to Oasis
Gems: Mine to Pheasant, Transform to Buffalo
Gold: Transform to Coal
Iron: Transform to Wine--very useful!
Ivory: Transform to Musk Ox
Oasis: Transform to Buffalo
Oil(in Desert): Transform to Wheat
Oil(in Glacier): Transform to Furs
Peat: Mine to Pheasant, Transform to Buffalo
Silk: Irrigate to Wheat
Spice: Tranform to Wheat
Wheat: Mine to Silk--very useful!
Wine: Transform to Wheat

	07-03-2004 21:48									#4
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umm, slow thinker, I did look where you said, and it says at 2.5.6 and 2.5.7 for fish type and whale type, but doesn't actually list anything.

STYOM, I appreciate that, that's essentially the info in the civilopedia and the poster, I was trying to separate them into the two categories.

I eventually broke down and used the editor that came with civ2, running the fish and the whale through the spectrum. here is what I was looking for

Of the two kinds, never will you get something on one list to turn into one of the other. the last three types are what you can make (with enough engineers and time) out of any land terrain, using default rules.

TERRAIN SPECIAL 1 SPECIAL 2
Ocean Fish Whales
Swamp Peat Spice
Jungle Gems Fruit
Glacier Seals Oil
Tundra Musk Ox Furs
Desert Oasis Oil
Mountains Gold Iron
Hills Coal Wine
Plains Buffalo Wheat
Forest Game Silk

What this means, is that If I have Peat, I can turn it into Coal, or Glacier oil into wine, wheat, or silk at my leisure.

	07-03-2004 23:29									#5
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Well done and thanks for the list, Father Beast.

This takes the poster to the next level!!

Monk

	08-03-2004 04:14									#6
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quote: Originally posted by Father Beast umm, slow thinker, I did look where you said, and it says at 2.5.6 and 2.5.7 for fish type and whale type, but doesn't actually list anything.

Load this: http://apolyton.net/forums/showthre...217#post2016217

	08-03-2004 13:32									#7
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You mean the attachment to that post perhaps?

Stu

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	08-03-2004 14:37									#8
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quote: Originally posted by Father Beast The last three types are what you can make (with enough engineers and time) out of any land terrain, using default rules. TERRAIN SPECIAL 1 SPECIAL 2 Ocean Fish Whales Swamp Peat Spice Jungle Gems Fruit Glacier Seals Oil Tundra Musk Ox Furs Desert Oasis Oil Mountains Gold Iron Hills Coal Wine Plains Buffalo Wheat Forest Game Silk What this means, is that If I have Peat, I can turn it into Coal, or Glacier oil into wine, wheat, or silk at my leisure.

You can actually change the types of terrain to others, by "using" global warming instead of engineers. This will allow you to make some of the terrian types higher up the list.

	08-03-2004 18:37									#9
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quote: Originally posted by duke o' york You can actually change the types of terrain to others, by "using" global warming instead of engineers. This will allow you to make some of the terrian types higher up the list.

Now there's something I hadn't thought of, I'm usually so paranoid about pollution....

	08-03-2004 19:35									#10
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The only trouble is, that you have to have global warming for ages, and it won't let you pick which terrains are changed.

	08-03-2004 22:33									#11
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Has it ever occurred to you that all this information is right in the rules.txt?

In the @TERRAIN section you'll find the 11 terrains and what happens with irrigating/mining/transforming, then the 11 1st specials, and finally the 11 2nd specials, all in order.

	09-03-2004 00:03									#12
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All I keep in my head is:
"Whales= Wheat, Silk, Fruit, Spice"
Those are the "Whale group" that Settlers can work with from the beginning. The comparable "Fish group" I can then deduce as needed (Fish= Buffalo, Pheasant/Game, Gems, Peat), and the rest of the list is only useful once I get Engineers in mid-game, at which point I am consulting my written or windowed list for other things anyway.

	10-03-2004 02:44									#13
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Hey, I'd like to keep the strategy forum open. I'm kind of attached to it. Let's put interesting questions like this one there so people will keep using it, OK?