08-03-2004 09:21									#1
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When do we dissolve this unwieldy Despotism and "transition" (as I'm calling anarchy ) to Republic?

430 BC, turn after next, is the earliest workable time IMO. Sashimi's harbor will have completed, bringing lux to Japan and allowing iron to be sent back.

However, if we wait for 410 BC, we'll get another settler from Chow. And wait for 370 BC, and we'll have Feudalism should LL attack. I don't think the settler timing is particularly important, but I do think Feudalism could be should LL attack soon - not likely, but possible.

So, what should we do?

Some of the advantages of Rep, which we'd get sooner:
-The commerce bonus (but see military maintenance below)
-Lower corruption
-Tile production cap lifted. This means ability to mine hills for 3 spt each, plus more food from bonus food tiles. And we can receive the benefits of irrigation anywhere.

Some of the disadvantages of Rep:
-Unit maintenance. This will likely suck up most of the gains made in commerce through Rep.
-Lack of MP. We'll need to compensate for this with a 10% luxury slider, which will also use more of the commerce gains of Rep.
-War Weariness. However, I really think we should switch by the time we go on any offensive wars anyway (barring taking LL's western city triangle should they attack us over the next few turns), so this is not much of an issue IMO.

	08-03-2004 09:36									#2
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Personally I'd wait until we finish research of Feudalism. If we are attacked in the next few turns I'd much prefer having pikemen than spearmen for defense and MI's instead of swords for offense.

Regarding the disadvantages, I'm not averse to using the slider to compensate for MPs. Yes we have a large military and it needs to keep growing, but republic gives us the tools to grow our cities even faster which allows for even more commerce to support our military.

	08-03-2004 20:44									#3
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I don't think you builders want my coments here...*cough* Monarchy *cough*

Anyway, after Feud, as Rhoth says, would be the best. Better to not delay that and get me pikes first.

	08-03-2004 21:48									#4
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UnO does raise a good point: if we're planning to tear it up with LL any time in the near future, Monarchy might not be so bad...

	09-03-2004 04:56									#5
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Yeah, well only one problem with Monarchy - nobody has researched it yet

	09-03-2004 05:34									#6
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Well, we can research it if we need to

	09-03-2004 05:45									#7
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If other techs are not a priority. Ironically, I thi

uld be more costly to research Monarchy if we're going to war, as we will need Chiv ASAP at the same time we'll want Invention for a shot at Leo's.

We could perhaps sort this out if we establish some long term goals.

	09-03-2004 05:59									#8
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I still favor Republic. A well-conceived war plan is fully recognizable under a republic, though not quite as easy as in monarchy. But a monarchy cannot sustain the same levels of commercial power that a well run republic can do. We have been building to be able to run a republic very well. The potential of a republic with the building we have already done is considerable. We just need more infrastructure (marketplaces especially) and we can fully realize our power.

	29-03-2004 00:55									#9
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*bump*

The turn is coming.

Are we going to revolt, or wait for more markets?

If the latter, and if we aren't going to try a naval landing in LL land, I'd like to switch Chop Suey to a market.

	29-03-2004 01:22									#10
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I would wait a little while longer - we would be losing a lot of gold (unless we stopped research) if we switch now - lets get at least 1 of the markets (probably Buffet's) done.

	30-03-2004 03:52									#11
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Bah, switch now and just join those damn workers into cities!

worthless piles of crap eating upkeep...

hey! Don't look at me like that Kloreep!


(really, wait for a market)

	05-05-2004 06:50									#12
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*bump*

Buffet market is finished. Any objections to revolting this turn? We have to do it sometime...

	05-05-2004 10:13									#13
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Depends on if we intend to be the aggressor against LL. If so then don't switch. If we wait for them to attack then let's switch.

	05-05-2004 18:16									#14
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Just switch to Feudalism...errr, um...

Yes, switch.

*cough* MONARCHY *cough*

	06-05-2004 02:43									#15
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Okay, I guess we'll revolt...

Zargon, if you can get military orders up, I'd like to play the turn so I can do on-the-fly domestic orders. Cities should be pretty simple to figure out, but workers will change speed, and the time in anarchy may affect forest chops and other worker tasks.

	10-05-2004 19:24									#16
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Have I mentioned MONARCHY lately?

	10-05-2004 20:55									#17
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No one has ever bothered to research it.