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All philosophies have various stupidities.
For example:
-Anarchism: Chaos and disorder on the streets followed by complete societal collapse
-Communism: Creates state-worship a lot of the time.
-Capitalism: Leaves much of the working, lower, and unemployed classes screwed
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Oncle Boris
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Once in a brown moon
Aug 2001
time: 00:34
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Originally posted by Kucinich
Then it isn't anarchy. It's just some sort of extreme libertarianism (is that redundant?).
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Well, not many thinkers have defended pure anarchy, or, more precisely, a state of nature kind of society.
When we refer to 'anarchism' today, no one with some education thinks of a system with absolutely NO authority.
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I didn't get "spanked" by him, we barely had time for a discussion among people like Che and Ned. Spiffor doesn't believe in communism anyways, he's basically a socialist.
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He believes that means of production should be collectively owned, which makes him a communist. Spiffor is not a social-democrat.
On the spanking issue, he definitely proved that flexibility can be part of a serious communist system. There are plenty of free markets in the world enforced by dictators. Trust me, those are not really flexible.
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Not really, no - it was whether you were a big-shot Party member.
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And here, it is whether daddy is rich. In truth, the Soviet educational system was amongs the most efficient and accessible in the world. Bright kids and talented athletes were put apart from their youngest age to form the communist elite, without regard to their origin.
BTW, did you know that literacy rates in Cuba are higher than in the US? Accessible education, which the US doesn't have, is perhapts the #1 condition for a system to be meritocratic.
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Self-organizing means that it takes simple rules to form complex structures. A self-organizing system is inherently elegent, which I like. |
No. Capitalism requires very strict regulations from governments to function acceptably. These decisions are made at the highest legislative level, and certainly not by virtue of unhindered free market.
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Oncle Boris
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Once in a brown moon
Aug 2001
time: 00:34
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Originally posted by Kucinich
Not really, no. Look at someone like Bill Gates. America is a country where geniuses can make obscene amounts of money 
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You are wrong. Statistics consistently tell us that rich kids become wealthy parents, while poor kids have the higher chance of staying poor.
Obviously, someone can always rise above the rest, whatever the system. These opportunities, however, aren't any more frequent in the US than they were in the USSR- especially given that the Soviet system looked at sheer talent, while the American one is more likely to require that a person has entrepreneurial skills to put his talent at work.
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It all depends on what you deem "acceptable". |
Of course. America being, in my opinion, barely acceptable, when you look at frauds, monopolistic behavior, insane political donations, etc.
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Bosh
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Taehan Mingook
Jan 1970
time: 00:34
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I don't think there are any Leninists here at Poly |
There's che. I don't know what label he slaps on himself but he's definately plenty fond of Lenin.
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I'm not as absolute about freedom, as anarchists seem to be |
That's not necessarily the difference. For another example, communists seem to care much more about income distribution (surplus value and all that), while anarchists seem to care much more about distribution of power. Communists don't seem to care as much about the workers having real power (Leninist talk of labor armies and suchlike) as long as the capitalists are getting smacked down.
The other main difference is that for communists, power is channelled through a central state, while for anarchists power is taken directly and on a more local level through cooperatives, local unions and what have you.
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They need someone to kick them in the ass sometimes. |
I'm with you here, that's why I'm anarchist-lite (or minarcho-socialist, or however you want to phrase it). But that doesn't make me communistic since I think that something that's halfway to communism (ie Social Democracy) is quite a bit different than something that's halfway to anarchism (ie what's been called Worker Capitalism, where a lot of things are owned/controlled by workers/people themselves but things still operate in a basically capitalist framework).
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The anarchist standpoint seems to be that they will contribute equally just because they are free. |
Well I'd take a long time to reach that point, if its ever possible. No reason not to try to get at least somewhat close though. But the important things is trying to squish hierarchical power structures or all sorts.
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-Anarchism: Chaos and disorder on the streets followed by complete societal collapse |
Then have some nice friendly Minarchism 
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Anarchy is stupid because it is by definition unenforcable. |
So?
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It's just some sort of extreme libertarianism (is that redundant?). |
No, becaus anarchism generally means socialism (libertarianism used to mean socialism too until the capitalists hijacked that word, of course now they're trying to hijack anarchism too so things get a bit confused at times).
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Kuciwalker
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of Schmooism
Feb 2001
time: 00:34
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Oncle Boris
You are wrong. Statistics consistently tell us that rich kids become wealthy parents, while poor kids have the higher chance of staying poor.[/q]
DUH. Obviously, MOST people will stay wherever they started, regardless of the system.
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Obviously, someone can always rise above the rest, whatever the system. These opportunities, however, aren't any more frequent in the US than they were in the USSR- especially given that the Soviet system looked at sheer talent, while the American one is more likely to require that a person has entrepreneurial skills to put his talent at work. |
Those "entrepreneurial skills" ARE talent.
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Of course. America being, in my opinion, barely acceptable, when you look at frauds, monopolistic behavior, insane political donations, etc. |
It isn't capitalism if laws against fraud and theft aren't enforced 
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