12-03-2004 08:12									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon ManUre. Ugh!

Up your udders, Cannuck.

What the hell do canadians know about football anyway, ManUtd or otherwise?

Go back to hockey, curling and chopping trees... or whatever you do.

	12-03-2004 08:13									#92
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Next thing he's gonna say is that is that Cryuff is nothing compared to Cantona .

quote: What the hell do canadians know about football anyway

He's a transplant, IIRC.

	12-03-2004 08:15									#93
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Next thing he's gonna say is that is that Cryuff is nothing compared to Cantona .

No... just that Stiles was one hard as nails bastard... which he was.

quote: quote: What the hell do canadians know about football anyway He's a transplant, IIRC.

And? he's been infected by mounties, bears and so on.

	12-03-2004 08:23									#94
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I believe he's a Kiwi. I could be wrong, though.

	12-03-2004 08:23									#95
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...and while the Athenians argued and squabbled, 500 Spartan soldiers with sandals and spears saved Western Civilization against the largest army ever constructed.

	12-03-2004 08:29									#96
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quote: Well, if we're all going to give serious answers, I'm going to have to go with... WOLVERINES!!!

that was an awful movie...

i mean, come on! you never got to see the supposed nuclear destruction!

	12-03-2004 08:43									#97
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui I believe he's a Kiwi. I could be wrong, though.

Yep. And Alan Shearer pisses all over any forward ManUre could put out.

	12-03-2004 08:52									#98
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quote: Originally posted by Agathon Yep. And Alan Shearer pisses all over any forward ManUre could put out.

Which Alan Shearer?

This Alan Shearer?

	12-03-2004 08:52									#99
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For "small unit actions", I'd definitely nominate the Spartans at Thermopylae, the British at Rorke's Drift, and the US 101st and 82nd AB Divisions (with attached units) at Bastogne and St. Vith, respectively - the 82nd is often overlooked, but it gave an EXCELLENT account for itself as well.

For a "large scale" nomination, I'll name one that hasn't been mentioned thus far - the Germans vs. the Soviets in 1943-1945. In the face of HUGE Soviet superiority in manpower and armor, the Germans were able to fight well almost until the end, given their political handicap. Even in January 1945 the Germans were successfully counterattacking on a corps level, to say nothing of 1943, when Manstein reorganized and saved much of the German front, and German forces were able to deal major defeats to attacking Soviet forces.

If the German military was able to run its own campaign in the East, first of all I think they would have won, but certainly, they would have been able to maintain a firm, strong front much later than was historical.

	12-03-2004 10:26									#100
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I voted for the Byzantines, the IJA, and Vietcong.

	12-03-2004 12:24									#101
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: Well, if we're all going to give serious answers, I'm going to have to go with... WOLVERINES!!! that was an awful movie... i mean, come on! you never got to see the supposed nuclear destruction!

there was no nuclear war. It was a conventional war- which was preposterous, but it's just a movie. Reagaon would have pushed the button as soon as the commies touched american soil . The scenario was silly, but I still liked the movie.

Kill those commies!!!!

	12-03-2004 17:27									#102
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Patrick Roy! No contest.

	12-03-2004 20:47									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Boris Godunov I have to give a special mention to the British defenders at Rorke's Drift in Natal, Jan. 22-23 1879. The Royal Engineers fought off a vastly superior force of Zulus. Despite their superior weaponry, the odds were still very much against the Brits. The fight produced the most Victoria Crosses ever in a single instance of combat.

Good choice! It was the South Wales Borderers (24th foot) - now the Royal Regiment of Wales (24/41st foot)-not the Royal Engineers who defended at Rorkes Drift though. The OC was a Royal Engineer Lieutenant who just happened to be present at the time and outranked the SWB officer.

	12-03-2004 20:49									#104
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Love that film

quote: A haiku, by Michael Caine Don't you throw them bloody spears at me.

* MrBaggins chuckles

	12-03-2004 21:22									#105
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quote: Originally posted by Harry Tuttle ...and while the Athenians argued and squabbled, 500 Spartan soldiers with sandals and spears saved Western Civilization against the largest army ever constructed.

And in the case of Marathon, it was the other way around....

	12-03-2004 21:24									#106
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins Love that film * MrBaggins chuckles

It was pretty good, if hokey in places. Was I the only one distracted by Caine's excessive green eye shadow?

	12-03-2004 21:29									#107
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The German defense from 43 to 45 was strong, but hardly masterful-many times lack of logistics stopped the Soviets before crushing the Germans decisively. For exmaple, the Bagration operation utterly ivecerated and entire German army group.

The defenders of Brest-litovsk in 1941 lasted pretty long and were pretty ferocius. Or the defenders in Fort whatdoyoucall it in verdun, 1916.

The French Foreign Legion has various stories of bravery.

	12-03-2004 22:56									#108
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quote: The German defense from 43 to 45 was strong, but hardly masterful-many times lack of logistics stopped the Soviets before crushing the Germans decisively. For exmaple, the Bagration operation utterly ivecerated and entire German army group.

Sure, but political constraints - ie, Hitler, - held the Wehrmacht back a lot. I think they did an excellent job, given the situation.

	12-03-2004 23:22									#109
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quote: Originally posted by David Floyd Sure, but political constraints - ie, Hitler, - held the Wehrmacht back a lot. I think they did an excellent job, given the situation.

Their success varied greatly. Overall while good, their defenses are, frontwide, hardly heroic.

	13-03-2004 00:24									#110
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You forgot the Alamo.

	13-03-2004 00:26									#111
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quote: Originally posted by Verto You forgot the Alamo.

No we did not-we already said the Alamo was hardly a great defense. The place fell on the first assault. The only thing that makes it legendary is that the Mexicans decided to execute everyone. Had Santa Ana simply taken everyone prisioner that survived the assault, it would not have gained the legendary status it did.

	13-03-2004 00:52									#112
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Masada should be mentioned as should the resistance in Warsaw.

	13-03-2004 01:01									#113
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quote: there was no nuclear war. It was a conventional war- which was preposterous, but it's just a movie. Reagaon would have pushed the button as soon as the commies touched american soil . The scenario was silly, but I still liked the movie. Kill those commies!!!!

not true. the american pilot who was shot down that they rescued said something along the lines of how the chinese were on the american side. why? weren't there a billion of them? well, no there's about 500million angry chinamen...

	13-03-2004 01:04									#114
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What's the capital of Texas?

	13-03-2004 01:21									#115
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Austin.

	13-03-2004 09:01									#116
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quote: Originally posted by Q Cubed quote: there was no nuclear war. It was a conventional war- which was preposterous, but it's just a movie. Reagaon would have pushed the button as soon as the commies touched american soil . The scenario was silly, but I still liked the movie. Kill those commies!!!! not true. the american pilot who was shot down that they rescued said something along the lines of how the chinese were on the american side. why? weren't there a billion of them? well, no there's about 500million angry chinamen...

Yeah, and they also nuked a few key American cities.

	13-03-2004 09:29									#117
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quote: Originally posted by Gangerolf please explain

estimates on the number of suicide aircraft japan had were off by a factor of five for instance.

http://www.neswa.org.au/library/articles/olympic.htm

	13-03-2004 09:29									#118
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The white bandits all the way. To claim anything else is redicilous.

	13-03-2004 09:31									#119
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quote: Originally posted by MrBaggins Which Alan Shearer? This Alan Shearer?

Yep - the one who told Taggart to stick it.

	13-03-2004 09:31									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Ignorance Finns against the soviets

I thought this poll only counted winners?