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of the Big Apple
Nov 2001
time: 23:34
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
No. |
Then you have a writing comprehension problem too.
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I'm thinking about burning it. |
Go ahead. Remember, do it in your waste paper basket, right before going to sleep.
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You have the reading comprehension of a five year old. |
OOF, the brilliant logic of Poly's greatest debater! 
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Liberation issues again. If all the coalition partners pull out, Al Qaeda will see an opportunity to exploit the situation and we will have tons of terrorists everywhere. |
Unlike today, where, with the cooliion there, there are tons of terorrist everywhere as is (heck, since no one could have stopped the attack in Madrid...or 9/11, or Balui bombing, or the Istanbul bombings, or or or).
Maybe you forget what the new gov said fezzikins-they will leave Iraq if by the end of June there is no new UN mandate to give a greater role to the UN. You also forget that the handover of autonomy is also schedules for June.
But you forget a lot Fezziekins, don;t you?
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:34
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Originally posted by General Ludd
If the attack had resulted in a huge swing towards the PP, would people still be crying over spain giving into terrorism and leting it effect their vote? |
In that case, 11-M would have been our Pearl Harbour, or even our 11-S. Now itīs too pretentious to compare it to such important dates.
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Giancarlo
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Los Angeles
Apr 2000
time: 02:34
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Originally posted by Spiffor
Such a statement applies to anybody else. It's not like it is easy to prevent a terrorist attack. The catastrophe may well have happened under any other government.
To think the attack was the only issue on which the Spaniards voted is an insult to them. Like every other people in a democracy, they voted on other things. Aznar's pro free-market policies, hardline policies against terror groups and affiliated, alignment with the US in Iraq, and other issues, determined the vote of MILLIONS before the attack.
If anything, the attack changed the mind of swing voters. Those who support PP's ideology did vote PP, and those who support PSOE's ideology did vote PSOE, no matter the attack.
Just look at Giancarlo and OliverFA here: they were going to vote PP prior to the attacks and they did. And I assume Jasev, Alfonso and others were decided to vote PSOE prior to the attacks as well. |
The PSOE honestly isn't really that much different than the PP when it comes to the economy, as I said the economic minister is going to most likely be a former BBVA banker. 
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Spiffor
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CPA - Evil Clone brigade
Nov 2001
time: 06:34
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Originally posted by OliverFA
Well... for starting he is going to retire Spanish troops from Irak.
Later, he will continue aligning with France and Germany to criticize Mr. Bush for everything he does.
I hope Blair can make he change her mind, but I doubt. |
Well, this has nothing to do with fighting terrorism, so I fail to see what this is doing here.
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He will stop fighting the root of terrorism, so terrorism is in better condition now. |
What do you call "fighting the root of terrorism?". Since it is obvious the brutal secular regime of Iraq wasn't the root of Muslim terrorism, what did Aznar do to fight the roots of terrorism, that Zapatero won't do?
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And coward Spanish will suffer the loss of liberty of increased security measures |
Such a reaction is something I would expect from any government after such an attack. Do you think the PP wouldn't have put these security measures in place?
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Itīs impossible to protect everything. Supermarkets, football stadiums, buses, cinemas, schools... |
Indeed. But then again, what is the difference between Zapatero and Aznar in this regard?
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:34
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Originally posted by Spiffor
it is pretty stupid to say this attack was Aznar's fault, or the next attack will be Zapatero's fault (as I expect you and OliverFa to say when it'll happen). |
It will be funny to have things to blame Zapatero for (I mean, even more things that the improper way in which he has arrived to the governement). 
But of course, if there is a new attack, Zapatero will not be responsible of the attack itself, but of not attacking terrorism at its root.
You can say that Aznar is "responsible" for the attack in one way. Is his government hadnīt pursued terrorism so effectively, the target would have been another government. Spain would have passed not detected by terrorism. But this would have been something temporal, because at the end, when(if) the big countries fall the small ones will follow. Spain has choosen to follow the path of the allies in the years just before the Second World War, when they thought they could make Hitler content with some concesions.
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:34
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Originally posted by Giancarlo
Supermajority? Laughable. 9 million still voted for the PP and they are going to be the unhappy ones. |
9,5 in fact. The PP just lost a bit more than 0,5 millions of votes. It was the PSOE who won 3 more millions (all that people who decided to vote). So "the people" have not been supermajority against the PP.
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:34
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Originally posted by PLATO
there is some pretty compelling evidence that they are operating in Iraq NOW. Before the invasion is a different story as far as evidence, but post invasion is even now acknowledged by AQ that they are there. If Spain wants to take on AQ outside of their own boarders, then staying in Iraq is the thing to do. If they are making a post invasion political statement that they are willing to let the war come to them and fight on the homeland then the new government is spot on. Wonder if 80% would support that line of thought if it was presented to them? |
They would say this is a lie invented by the right and support it. They would hope AQ went somewhere else before Spain and let that somewhere else fight the battle for them while they stay safe at home.
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OliverFA
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Leeds, UK
Sep 2002
time: 06:34
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Originally posted by Spiffor
To think the attack was the only issue on which the Spaniards voted is an insult to them. Like every other people in a democracy, they voted on other things. |
Sure. Thatīs why results changed so unexpectedly.
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Just look at Giancarlo and OliverFA here: they were going to vote PP prior to the attacks and they did. And I assume Jasev, Alfonso and others were decided to vote PSOE prior to the attacks as well. |
You are partially right. People who had their vote decided didnīt change it. People who had decided not to vote o who were trying to decide did. That can be easily seen by the increase in the participation while PP has lost only 500,000 votes (thatīs the "punishment"?) and the communists lost many votes who went to PSOE. But mainly what PSOE got was many votes of people who wouldn not have voted. So, we can like it or not, but terrorists changed the result.
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