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Sir! Why do you keep clicking on me?
Dec 2000
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
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He already pointed out that he was referring in that comment to the new Pirates game, not Civ3. |
An easily defeated backtrack. He said it 'remind anyone of anything'. A 3D Sid game which is supposed to 'remind anyone of anything' and then he said Civ3 was bad. Not hard to figure out.
Saying it was just used to refer to Pirates! is nothing more than being caught and trying to backtracked.
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These comments are exactly the same ones us CTP2 lovers got from Civ3 lovers in our own forum mind you when we debated the comparisons between CTP2 and Civ3. We'd come up with points for and against each title, and the Civ3 folks would just come in and attack our writing style, and when we pointed it out to the un-educated, they basically said we suck cus we like CTP2.
Sure, it's a good thing to look on Sid's successes, but don't ride it into the dirt. Granted, Railroad tycoon, Civ 1 and pirates were massive successes, but he's failed just like every other developer out there. Gettysburg, Civ3 (in my opinion and a lot of other peoples, you either love or hate it), and lo 'n behold, Simgolf! Yes, in Australia it failed. It was in a classic label box a month after release for $19.95!
I'm looking at his progression through time designing/coding, and notice that his success graph plots like the dropping of the American dollar! So how can I NOT make the assumption that Pirates2 may fail? Add to that the fact Firaxis already stated it would be directed more to the masses (which means more directed towards the young console crowd who don't have the experience of grand strategy that us 80's/90's gamers did).
Personally, I hope Pirates2 is as fantastic if not more than the original, but I'm not pinning my hopes on it. There's plenty of choice for my limited gaming dollars, so they're going to have to do a good job to stop me spending on something else.
That's my 2 cents Imran, and if you don't like it STIFF! 
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Jan 1970
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The 3D engine point clearly refers to the new Pirates game. Granted he should have made clear he didn't mean that part reminded him of Civ3 when he drew the comparison later in the post. However he posted again after to say he was referring to the Pirates game 3D engine, so the point is clear. |
The point wasn't clear at the time. The 3D engine crack only refered to solely Pirates! afterwards. And yes, I'm supposed to pick out inconsistencies like this... I'm in law school, you see?
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You don't want people to think you can't address the points authoritively and so choose to attack a different way. |
What points should I address? Yes, Sid is doing this, yes Atari is publishing it, yes, an old classic is being redone, yes, it's a 3d engine (but beautiful rather than crap). No, I don't think that Civ3's failures mean every game Sid does from now on will suck.
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These comments are exactly the same ones us CTP2 lovers got from Civ3 lovers |
Oh God, you are a CTP2 lover  . And you think you have the capacity to judge how good a game will be  .
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We'd come up with points for and against each title |
What points? I've already shown above, they ain't arguments.
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it's a good thing to look on Sid's successes, but don't ride it into the dirt. Granted, Railroad tycoon, Civ 1 and pirates were massive successes, but he's failed just like every other developer out there. Gettysburg, Civ3 (in my opinion and a lot of other peoples, you either love or hate it), and lo 'n behold, Simgolf! Yes, in Australia it failed. It was in a classic label box a month after release for $19.95! |
Likewise don't ride Sid's ONE big failure into the dirt. Gettyburg! can by no means be called a failure, and if you are merely going on sales, then System Shock 2 was a failure, but it still is considered one of the greatest games of all time by major magazines. Both Gettysburg! and SimGolf recieved rave reviews.
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I'm looking at his progression through time designing/coding, and notice that his success graph plots like the dropping of the American dollar! So how can I NOT make the assumption that Pirates2 may fail? |
 SimGolf was a wonderfully fun game. Gettysburg! was amazing. SMAC is the best Civ-type game ever made. One misstep and his success is dropping on the graph? Huh?
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Dale
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Sir! Why do you keep clicking on me?
Dec 2000
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Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui
, yes, it's a 3d engine (but beautiful rather than crap). |
I said the engine was crap, not Pirates2's use of it.  But aside from that, the graphics do look a little blocky, but almost guarenteed not to be what we see in the final release, so I'm not going to comment anymore on that till we see some release candidate screenshots.
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Oh God, you are a CTP2 lover . And you think you have the capacity to judge how good a game will be . |
You just proved my point.
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We'd come up with points for and against each title |
What points? I've already shown above, they ain't arguments.
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Read that paragraph again. I'd moved on from before and was pointing out the similarity between this arguement and the "CTP2 vs Civ3" arguement.
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Likewise don't ride Sid's ONE big failure into the dirt. Gettyburg! can by no means be called a failure, and if you are merely going on sales, then System Shock 2 was a failure, but it still is considered one of the greatest games of all time by major magazines. Both Gettysburg! and SimGolf recieved rave reviews.
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I've learned not to completely trust magazines anymore after being burnt by a few titles. Magazines also said Moo3 was amazing too!
This is pointless. If you want to keep argueing, be my guest. But I'm outa here.
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Child of Thor, in future, if you remember any more Pirate clichés for Doc's benefit, can you PM them to him, for our benefit!  
I remember the release of Civ, the first three Monkey Islands (wasn't even aware that there was a fourth until I read it here), and the original Pirates, and have to say that Dr Spike is entirely correct in saying that Civ predates MI3, and very possibly MI2 as well, although they were fairly close together.
I'm looking forward to Pirates II, and hope for something like Thor has described, with a much bigger world than the original, and a decent range of ships, different colonial powers to fight for/against, and the possibility of alliances between notorious buccaneers to share the loot after pooling their resources. 
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