19-03-2004 05:18									#91
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quote: Originally posted by Grumbold That idea sucks Both styles of architecture are correct. Just for different countries and levels of wealth. Neither look accurate in the way they have laid them out if they are attempting to represent colonies in the tropics.

No, *you* suck!

	19-03-2004 05:37									#92
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: More denial. Denial? Because I acknowledge that Pirates! looks beautiful?! Ah, a Fez in the making you are.

Unlike Fez, and you, I've actually been making arguments and not just saying "nyah, nyah, I'm right"

I've been telling you why I don't like the graphics and all you've done is deny it or insult me.

quote: How is this not absolutely gorgeous?

First of all, the badly textured beach. It's also a bit polygonal, but I can't really judge how the transition from beach to water looks without seeing it in motion. Secondly, the annoying 'mushroom' trees that look like little more than bumpy ground at first glance. And thirdly, the pixelated graphics of the ships - although that's probably due to jpeg compression. But really, everything kind of pales in comparrison to that giant ****ing cloud looming over the scene.

quote: Of course, but the haters are insulting the graphics (so far).

I'm not a hater, I just call it as I see it.

	19-03-2004 06:15									#93
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quote: I've actually been making arguments

Yes, 'arguments'.

If I said, it has good textures, looks to be in decent enough scale (because the cities in Civ2 were in perfect scale?), and the bright colors make it look great, would you consider them 'arguments'? Because the opposite were your 'arguments'.

quote: I've been telling you why I don't like the graphics

Your first post on this thread:

Pretty ugly.

Yeah, you've just been saying you don't like the graphics. Suuure. You came in here looking for an argument, don't deny it .

quote: The badly textured beach.

Why is it badly textured? It looks like a pretty fine beach to me.

quote: The annoying 'mushroom' trees that look like little more than bumpy ground at first glance

The trees are very nicely done: they convey a 'foresty' feel without having as much trees as needed to have a forest.

quote: pixelated graphics of the ships

The ships are done very nice. Look at the first ship battle picture on this thread.

quote: everything kind of pales in comparrison to that giant ****ing cloud looming over the scene.

Beautiful, isn't it? Especially seeing the effects of other clouds on the sunlight.

	19-03-2004 06:30									#94
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui Besides PR2 is being marketed as a trade simulation, like Imperialism II. Pirates! is an RPG/strategy game.

I miss Uncharted Waters, now that was a great game.

	19-03-2004 06:58									#95
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui If I said, it has good textures, looks to be in decent enough scale, and the bright colors make it look great, would you consider them 'arguments'?

Yes, if there was any truth to it.

quote: Yeah, you've just been saying you don't like the graphics. Suuure. You came in here looking for an argument, don't deny it .

I came in here 'cause I had nothing better to do, and I'm mildly interested in the game. I saw you call those horrible graphics pretty, and I had to say something.

quote: Why is it badly textured? It looks like a pretty fine beach to me.

The beach doesn't look like a beach - it's just glowing white, while the blotchy grass runs all over the place and goes crawling under the water.

quote: The trees are very nicely done: they convey a 'foresty' feel without having as much trees as needed to have a forest.

They're just brown sticks with a green semi-sphere stuck on top. You need to explore the wilderness more often. Where are the palm trees, anyways? These look more like willow trees than anythign else.

quote: Beautiful, isn't it? Especially seeing the effects of other clouds on the sunlight.

Yeah, too bad this isn't a flight sim.

quote: (because the cities in Civ2 were in perfect scale?)

Civ2 didn't go for the whole 'realistic 3D' aproach.

	19-03-2004 07:26									#96
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quote: if there was any truth to it.

But there is .

quote: The beach doesn't look like a beach - it's just glowing white, while the blotchy grass runs all over the place and goes crawling under the water.

The beach looks like a fine beach to me. What colors are beaches in your area?

quote: They're just brown sticks with a green semi-sphere stuck on top.

They have more texture than just being a sphere. Try to look closer.

quote: Where are the palm trees, anyways?

Not every tree in the Caribbean is a palm.

quote: Civ2 didn't go for the whole 'realistic 3D' aproach.

So? The 'realistic 3D' doesn't have to apply to everything. Obviously when you hit a city or a port or a ruins, you go to a close up screen. Cities just have to be able to be seen from a decent distance. And they are pretty decent looking to boot.

	19-03-2004 08:51									#97
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Well, it's nice that you understand why it's ugly.

You did not explain your own position.

quote: Originally posted by General Ludd So you are arguing about style and theme rather than quality? I can accept that.

Quality includes style and theme. If the setting is a run-down slum, quality would mean the images look like a run-down slum. Looking like a seaside resort doesn't help with the quality.

	19-03-2004 08:55									#98
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb Port Royale 2's going to be way better than Pirates! 3.

It's Pirates! 2. You can't even get the name right.

	19-03-2004 09:11									#99
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Can we stop with the *****-waving over a game that is still over six months away from release?


Jesus H. Christ, you people need a hobby... I mean, another hobby.

	19-03-2004 10:18									#100
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i haven't played the original pirates either... does it work on a win98 se pc?

	19-03-2004 11:38									#101
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quote: Originally posted by pg i haven't played the original pirates either... does it work on a win98 se pc?

I played it on Win98.

	19-03-2004 17:20									#102
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quote: Originally posted by Guynemer Can we stop with the *****-waving over a game that is still over six months away from release? Jesus H. Christ, you people need a hobby... I mean, another hobby.

Purile debate is at least closer to the intended purpose of this forum than purile games imo

	19-03-2004 19:11									#103
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quote: Originally posted by Urban Ranger It's Pirates! 2. You can't even get the name right.

My bad its been so many years since they started working on it one almost thinks its the 3rd one.

Come to think of it, after Atari announced they would be working on Pirates! 2 Ascaron developed, tested, and released Port Royale. Then its successor Tortuga. And now they are going to have revamped, updated, and released Port Royale 2 all in less time than it took Atari to do Pirates! 2 and Pirates! 2 looks to have inferior graphics and gameplay!

That's sad.

	19-03-2004 21:50									#104
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[QUOTE] Originally posted by Guynemer
Jesus H. ChristQUOTE]

What does 'H' stand for?

	19-03-2004 22:52									#105
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quote: My bad its been so many years since they started working on it one almost thinks its the 3rd one.

A year is a long time to create a game .

	19-03-2004 23:25									#106
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quote: Originally posted by DataAeolus [QUOTE] Originally posted by Guynemer Jesus H. ChristQUOTE] What does 'H' stand for?

Herman.

	20-03-2004 06:33									#107
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Imran is right. Pirates pwns.

	20-03-2004 18:09									#108
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Osweld is right. PR2 looks much better graphically than Pirates!.



Regardless, the gameplay description of P! doesn't thrill me much. PR2 sounds more interesting.

	20-03-2004 19:03									#109
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Maybe we should until the games actully is out before destroying it?

Plenty of time for that afterwards

	20-03-2004 19:42									#110
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I'm with Boris, P!2's gameplay consisting of simply dueling and dancing contests sounds like some sort of Pirates of Pissance musical.

	20-03-2004 20:30									#111
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Throw in some opera and Boris might very reconsider..

	20-03-2004 20:38									#112
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui The beach looks like a fine beach to me. What colors are beaches in your area?

They're gravel. But fortunetly, Pirates! doesn't take place on the cambrian shield.


Basically, what it comes down to, is that there is no effort put into the graphics. The number of graphical features of the landscape can be counted on one hand:

1. Blotchy white and green land
2. Blotchy grey mountains
3. Simplistic and uninteresting trees
4. Lego-esque buildings
5. Water


Where is the detail? The driftwood on the beach, the forest (as opposed to the same ugly tree cloned a hundred time, the rocky shores, the villages, ect... Maybe it's not easy to do in 3D, but that's kinda my point. 3D isn't always good. There's absolutely no flavour at all.

	20-03-2004 20:53									#113
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quote: Originally posted by General Ludd Maybe it's not easy to do in 3D, but that's kinda my point. 3D isn't always good. There's absolutely no flavour at all.

Actually it is easy to do, its a simple matter of a texture and/or a bump map.

	20-03-2004 23:32									#114
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quote: Originally posted by GhengisFarb I'm with Boris, P!2's gameplay consisting of simply dueling and dancing contests sounds like some sort of Pirates of Pissance musical.

Yer on thin ice there, son.

	21-03-2004 04:08									#115
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quote: P!2's gameplay consisting of simply dueling and dancing contests sounds like some sort of Pirates of Pissance musical.

And ship fights! PR2 gameplay of trading crap sounds like some economics simulation (and I have a BA in Econ).

	21-03-2004 04:45									#116
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Imran speaks the truth. Pirates 2 r0x0rz our b0x0rz.

	21-03-2004 05:17									#117
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Yay! Dueling! Dancing! Shipfights (floating dance floors)! And its a musical!

Sorry if I don't get too excited about "Atari does Broadway."

	21-03-2004 05:23									#118
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quote: Imran speaks the truth. Pirates 2 r0x0rz our b0x0rz.

Ship fighting, dueling, and even being able to woo the Governor's daughter. Sweet .

	21-03-2004 06:33									#119
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I'll wait until a demo or the actual game is released before judging it. Gameplay > graphics.

	21-03-2004 07:41									#120
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quote: Originally posted by Imran Siddiqui quote: Imran speaks the truth. Pirates 2 r0x0rz our b0x0rz. Ship fighting, dueling, and even being able to woo the Governor's daughter. Sweet .

Ah a Sims fan. Me not so much.