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lol ED&D is officially full PvP LOL
May 2002
time: 05:34
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Unless we can all convince the Hive dictatorship NOW, as in the next 24 hours or even less, this democracy game will come to an end.
I call upon all citizens of the true APOLYTON democracy game to forget their differences. I call upon members of all factions to unite! I call upon workers to overthrow thier governments and act, for if we do not act now, then Planet is doomed to suffer under the brutal mastery of the faceless Drones.
I call PEACE to rise from the waves anew to face the menace of the Drones. Your enemies are not the CyCon or the PUT, your true enemies are the Drones! They sit secret and faceless in isolation. They could have stopped the CyCon/PEACE war with a single word - but they never speak.
I call CyCon to forget the battle for the seas of Chiron, and fight for the hearts of Chiron instead! Leave the PEACE in peace, take your mighty armies and fling them at the Drones! Let your marines storm the citiadels of the gods themselves! Only then can we see true happiness on Planet.
I call the PUT to join with thier brothers. Once the proffessors were active in the councils of this world, and now is the time to hear them speak again. Only with the technology of your laboratories can we hope to defeat this, the greatest threat to face the ACDG.
Finally I call upon my own faction, the Hive, the faction I founded, the faction I have called my home for so many years. We can provide the muscle for this great war, this great enterprise of all humanity, but first we need the WILL! We need to break free from the chains that have bound us so long, for the in-fighting, from the chains of slavery that tie us to our "masters" the Drones. We are the faction with the hardest choice to make. Do we back up the bully, or stand against them, back to back with our Apolyton friends for the final battle.
We may not win, not even all four of us together, but if even one of us was to help the Drones, then all of us would fail. We must try, for the sake of Apolyton, for the sake of Chiron and for the sake of the ACDG.
Cyborgs, Pirates, Professors and Comrades : The matter is in your hands alone. If we do not act though before the Hive is dragged into a war started by the Drones, then it will be too late.
-Jam, for you.
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Illuminatus
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Salvaging Unity Fusion Core
Jul 2003
time: 06:34
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Drones are faction with no roleplay, no honour, and probably no democracy since it seems to be run by Buster solely. I haven`t seen any roleplay from Drones, and they have shown to be rude and arrongant, since they have attacked us without any declaration of war or even explanation. They havent even given us a notification. Buster is insulting all ACDG players when he runs this as usual PBEM.
CPU has no ambitions towards Hive, we do not want Hive teritory or want to attack you, nor we ever wanted to so. We do not wish to unite all factions under CyCon, PUT merging was quite unexpected for most of us. As for PEACE war, this is behind, and CPU doesn not wish to undertake any aggresive expansion plan in the future.
No one insulted Hive, but will you let yourself be ordered by Drones and a handfew of dictators who ignore the rest of your team? We wish friendship with Hive, and now we need it so much. Please, hear the voice of your Comrade Jamski, fellow Hiverians, and unite with us against Drones in a glorious battle for the continuation of ACDG!
Last edited by Illuminatus on 19-03-2004 at 01:13
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Snowflake
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falling, once again
Apr 2003
time: 23:34
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Here's my personal opinion. War is not unhonorable because this is a game with a heavy emphasis at war aspect after all. My opposition to the CC-PEACE war only comes when the CPU seemed to be going all the way to beat them to death unnecessarily just to prove your point or something, or perhaps total elimination brings people more enjoyment, I don't know. By the same token, I do not see Drones going to war against you as unhonorable, unless they've done other things like cheating etc.
I agree that the Drones have not actively participated in roleplaying. However this is their style. When they took part in this game we haven't required that they must actively roleplay, if I understand correctly. In fact I vaguely remember they have stated that they won't be roleplaying a lot or something. Jamski or Drogue may be able to remember better since I was very new at the time. In addition, I learnt from members of the CPU about their dislikes of our roleplays. So non roleplying may not be a good reason for a war in my opinon.
When the Drones didn't reply to your PMs, have you asked and made sure if they have actually received it? I agree if what you said is true it may not be appropriate in the Drone's part, however is it enough to justify a four faction against one faction war?
I really don't like we relate personal feelings with the in game aspects. Looks to me most of us can handle very well wars in a pbem. True this is not a pbem, but why can't we separate personal feelings from in game play?
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Illuminatus
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Salvaging Unity Fusion Core
Jul 2003
time: 06:34
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quote:
Originally posted by HongHu
Here's my personal opinion. War is not unhonorable because this is a game with a heavy emphasis at war aspect after all.
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I am diverting attention from Jamskis post it seems. 
War is not honourable, nor is war against PEACE (this is my opinion since I joined after the war is started, and is not in any way official faction opinion).
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My opposition to the CC-PEACE war only comes when the CPU seemed to be going all the way to beat them to death unnecessarily just to prove your point or something, or perhaps total elimination brings people more enjoyment, I don't know.
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I am too for the PEACE process. Peace are way gone, and we do not need them to be eradicated. It is a shame that talks were almost halted due to someone in Hive.
* Illuminatus looks at HongHu
Should check your PM more seriously?
Anyway recent Hive actions are quite questionable too, since you are doing unprovoked things.
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By the same token, I do not see Drones going to war against you as unhonorable, unless they've done other things like cheating etc.
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Can you then just forget the unhonourable part, since one read the rest of my post then?
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I agree that the Drones have not actively participated in roleplaying. However this is their style. When they took part in this game we haven't required that they must actively roleplay, if I understand correctly. In fact I vaguely remember they have stated that they won't be roleplaying a lot or something. Jamski or Drogue may be able to remember better since I was very new at the time. In addition, I learnt from members of the CPU about their dislikes of our roleplays.
So non roleplying may not be a good reason for a war in my opinon.
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Roleplaying is the reason of the Drone attack? They hate roleplay so much that they will eradicate us for that?
You are next then, I am afraid. 
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When the Drones didn't reply to your PMs, have you asked and made sure if they have actually received it? I agree if what you said is true it may not be appropriate in the Drone's part, however is it enough to justify a four faction against one faction war?
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This is not reason for war against Drones, since being rude is not enough. However can you read Jamskis post more carefully, he stated reasons for pact clearly enough.
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I really don't like we relate personal feelings with the in game aspects. Looks to me most of us can handle very well wars in a pbem. True this is not a pbem, but why can't we separate personal feelings from in game play? |
There are 100 members actively participating in this ACDG. Drones are however run by one man, and I havent heard anything from other Drone members about them actively participating in their team. It is a shame to learn that this ACDG was useless.
What personal feelings? I haven`t seen any personal feelings in ACDG, possibly only in Chairman`s Voltaire`s post.
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Snowflake
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falling, once again
Apr 2003
time: 23:34
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Hmmm. First are you saying you believe wars are unhonorable? So will you be against all wars? Even the war that Jamski is promoting against the Drones? I'm seriously asking this question. For I for one, will support any effort to prevent all war in this planet. I understand this will diminish the interest of a large portion of this game, but as I said before, I personally will embrace the concept of a no war peaceful development and competition.
Ok other small points that needs to be cleared.
First I always check my PM very carefully. Why do you feel I have not done so and by not doing so somehow hinted the talks between you and peace?
Second, I was not sure if you ARE accusing the Drones' of cheating?
Third, I thought it was you who offered non roleplaying as one reason against the Drones, not the Drones offered rolyplay as the reason they attack you? Not sure you misread, or misunderstood, or was simply trying to shift attention.
Fourth, I thought it was clear that those opinions of mine was responding to your post, instead of Jamski's initial post. I was actually a little moved by his and Impaler's post btw. And those got me thinking. But I really do want to say something in respond to your post too. I apologize if it was not clear before.
As for personal feelings, I thought I've seen plenty. We are humans after all. Who doesn't have personal feelings? Personal feelings are not some bad thing. If you don't see them, I really feel for you.
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