19-03-2004 05:41									#61
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Besiiiides I get the feeling this is personal between the US (still followed by the UK *yawn*) and AQ. Who are we to get in the middle of such good friends Let thems sort it out they seem to have the hots for eachother

	19-03-2004 05:47									#62
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Let Al Qaeda call their truce, they didn't put any emphasis on us calling off our hunt on them in return. The only reason I honestly believe that they're calling this truce it that they want to look good: "See? When you infidels don't persecute Muslims, we've no reason to attack you".

Well, let's all remember that Al Qaeda's idea of fair treatment for Muslims is like the Wahabbi setup in Saudi Arabia, where other religions aren't even tolerated.

To be honest, I don't believe that there will be a truce. Didn't Bin Laden's deputy recently single out France for new attacks because of the headscarf ban, which is totally unrelated to the Iraq war?

	19-03-2004 06:16									#63
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor It's insights like Asher's which is why Canada has always been a rather useless country

Actually, I'd say it's the fact that they have a small population, virtually no useful land, and was for most of it's history simply part of a much larger and very not "useless" country.

	19-03-2004 06:18									#64
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quote: Originally posted by Saint Marcus All Muslim nations. Let the Muslim's deal with their own affairs. You didn't see Muslims jumping in to stop the northern ireland clashed between the protestants and catholics, so why should we step in when various muslim sects clash?

Do you think the Muslims a) wanted to help out infidels or b) could have projected to power to do so?

	19-03-2004 06:45									#65
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quote: Originally posted by Kucinich Actually, I'd say it's the fact that they have a small population, virtually no useful land, and was for most of it's history simply part of a much larger and very not "useless" country.

You are wrong then. It is Asher's fault. End of story

	19-03-2004 07:19									#66
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But Asher blames Steve Jobs...

	19-03-2004 07:30									#67
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Steve Jobs could convince Al Qaeda to renounce violence, if only we would let him. He'd also convince them to buy iPod minis. It's win-win.

	19-03-2004 08:05									#69
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What I'm waiting for is a 4GB player using the new 0.75" Hitachi HDs.

	19-03-2004 08:42									#70
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I can see it now...

Al Qaeda members throwing away their robes and turbans in favor of jeans and black turtlenecks. Bin Laden rocking to the latest Moby track he got for free on iTunes with a Pepsi cap. A former Al Qaeda cell gathered around their iBooks in a coffee shop, deleting all their old plans for bombings and replacing them with plans for their Ralph Nader fundraiser.

It's beautiful... *a single tear rolls down Drake Tungsten's cheek*

	19-03-2004 09:21									#71
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Why would Al Queda honor a truce when they continue to bomb places around the world including Islamic countries like Indonesia and Pakistan.

	19-03-2004 09:29									#72
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the moral ineptitude of being ok w/ terrorism as long as it doesn't hurt u is a little unnerving.

	19-03-2004 18:14									#73
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quote: the moral ineptitude of being ok w/ terrorism as long as it doesn't hurt u is a little unnerving.

kinda like the US not really caring about fighting terrorism, until 911, right?

	19-03-2004 18:41									#74
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Spiffy. You're the best, man.

	19-03-2004 18:47									#75
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I remeber that thread you had with another Israeli at the terract that marked the end of the Hudna. It really showed me the true colors of the *******s parading to be the servants of Allah

	19-03-2004 19:16									#76
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Israel was never a side to the Hudna, anyway.

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We're not going to believe this sh*t. Truce from terrorist groups are not but tactials diversion to grow even more. We saw it with ETA's true, with Hamas' hudna, so we're not going to trust this sh*t.

	19-03-2004 19:23									#78
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It's foolish to think of AQ as simply terorists. Propaganda really. They are an organization with goals. One of their goals was U.S. troops out of Saudi Arabia. That did not mean invade another middle eastern country and place your troops there. While we don't necesarrily have to take the truce at face value the only way to end this war on terrorism is to a) capitulate b) negotiate or c) kill all the muslims in the world who would fight for their way of life. The obvious answer to me is to come to an agreement with the muslims that would be satisfactory to all. It's said that one of the key causes of WW2 was the Versailles treaty being unfair towards the Germans. If anything we should learn that road to peace is held together by both parties being satisfied with the arrangements. The muslims feel that the situation to date is unfair towards them in their own homes.

The same goes for Hamas and Israel. Israel has proven that it can carry out military operations even in the heart of syria yet that's not going to stop the average palestian from a suicide bombing. The only way to do this is to take away the desire or at least change it.

Of course, a lot of muslims believe that their best solution is the destruction of western society starting in Israel and movine west. Well, can you really blame them given the track record of imperialism and broken promises. Still, that public opinion on the "arab street" is what needs to be changed. Similar, to racial prejudice and bias of the past and present. We have come to a place were a violent answer will not work. Clearly, it's a time for real not gunboat diplomacy.

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	19-03-2004 19:36									#79
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Ok, Pax, I'll play the role of Al-Qaeda:

"
Our demands are:
-Western Troops out of the Middle East.
-Russian Troops out of Chechniya.
-Destruction of Israel.
-Creation of a great muslim state in all countries with muslim populations.
"

	19-03-2004 19:39									#80
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quote: Originally posted by Spiffor No, it refers to the European people, who were overwhelmingly against the war, save for the British.

The Brits were overwhelmingly against the war also.

	19-03-2004 19:44									#81
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quote: Originally posted by Azazel Ok, Pax, I'll play the role of Al-Qaeda: " Our demands are: -Western Troops out of the Middle East. -Russian Troops out of Chechniya. -Destruction of Israel. -Creation of a great muslim state in all countries with muslim populations. "

Okay,
I'll split the difference.
Western troops out of the middle east(including my cousin and sister)
Russian troops out of Chechnya
You recognize Israel halt terrorist acts
We recognize Palestine and help build Palestinian state
You can build great muslim state in all states that vote in favor
We give you back control of your resources
You agree to sale it a reasonable rates
And I'll throw in some american cars(very popular in syria)

	19-03-2004 20:18									#82
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quote: I'll split the difference. Western troops out of the middle east(including my cousin and sister) Russian troops out of Chechnya You recognize Israel halt terrorist acts We recognize Palestine and help build Palestinian state You can build great muslim state in all states that vote in favor We give you back control of your resources You agree to sale it a reasonable rates And I'll throw in some american cars(very popular in syria)

	19-03-2004 20:21									#83
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quote: Okay, I'll split the difference. Western troops out of the middle east(including my cousin and sister) Russian troops out of Chechnya You recognize Israel halt terrorist acts We recognize Palestine and help build Palestinian state You can build great muslim state in all states that vote in favor We give you back control of your resources You agree to sale it a reasonable rates And I'll throw in some american cars(very popular in syria)

No deal. what happens next?

	19-03-2004 20:29									#84
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quote: No deal. what happens next?

It's easier to negotiate with Muslim fundamentalists, than with Israel's Likud party.

	19-03-2004 20:31									#85
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If you are going to play, then play fair.
First of all, you don't know that there's no deal.
I knew that you were just going to say no deal.
It's the exact type of attitude I'm telling you has to be changed on both sides. Refer back to WW1. Both sides had come to a conclusion that war was inevitable and the other side was intolerable. Specifically, France and Germany. Today these countries are able to live side by side in peace. It was not always this way. We have to work to change political and public opinion on both sides.

The statement of truce concerning Spain shows that they are willing to say more than no deal. Even if they are lying, this is a step towards dialogue.

	19-03-2004 20:35									#86
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quote: Originally posted by Japher They Can Go around killing innocent people, your people, and your going to just let them get away with it!!!!?

No they won't - they will just kill Americans.

If the Spanish government can prevent the deaths of its citizens by pulling out of Iraq, doesn't it have a moral obligation to do so?

	19-03-2004 20:40									#87
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The main point is that it won't. Unless of course you happen to believe that the Spanish troops in Afghanistan only gives Al-Qaeda feelings of sweetness and light for the Spanish people.

Hell we now have attack threats against France over thier ban on religious clothing.

	19-03-2004 20:45									#88
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quote: If you are going to play, then play fair. First of all, you don't know that there's no deal. I knew that you were just going to say no deal.

Nah. It makes sense: Why would I agree to this deal, If I can get a better one, as it seems from your words? You said that the west can capitulate, kill all muslims, or negotiate. The first two are unacceptable, So I can demand a whole lot more.

	19-03-2004 20:48									#89
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what reason would AQ have not to attack france or any other country that has policies it does not like. right now they have nothing to lose.
Point give them a reason to make peace.
It's misconception that they are terrrorists and they whole purpose is to terrorize. They are people with ideas just like you and me. They have needs and desires. We need to sit down and talk

	19-03-2004 20:50									#90
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You watch too much Dr. Phil.